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The Portuguese Air Force is no longer expected to acquire the 5th generation F-35 fighter from Lockheed Martin, all due to the review of the US position towards NATO.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 21 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Dunno if you'll find a more European fighter than the Gripen.

[–] Denixen@feddit.nu 23 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Uses a license produced engine from US (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_RM12), which has caused endless problems in exports for SAAB, since the US blocks them frequently when they are about to win a contract.

I would go for Rafale or Eurofighter and I am saying this as a swede. We need to replace the engines ASAP. Perhaps a UK, German or French one. Would probably take years to develop thought and likely a significant overhaul will be necessary.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 16 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Well, an easier fix is to just keep using the engine design, and stop paying the license fees.

What is the US gonna do? Stop supporting NATO? Put tariffs on exports to the EU? Stop being an ally, and ally themselves with Russia?

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Use stolen military technology as a casus-belli maybe?

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

So, the US attacks a NATO member, kicking off Article 5.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Sure.

The USA is like 60% of NATO forces.

So this would more likely lead to the dissolution of NATO.

The point I was making is that the adults in the room would probably prefer to not kick the hornets nest despite preparing for the worst if the hornets nest kicks off.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 2 points 7 hours ago

The hornet nest is already kicked up... And the US is 60% of NATO right NOW. Which means Europe needs to bolster themselves. And its easier to do that without handing over half a billion bucks for nothing.

Just ignore it. Trump ignores contracts all the time. At worst? He'd just put more tariffs on the EU, because he knows not a single general will launch a war in Europe.

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, I think it's best to treat the US these days like a dangerous dog you meet in an alley - don't make eye contact and back slowly away.

[–] Person264@lemmings.world 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Nox@lemmy.zip 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Person264@lemmings.world 2 points 9 hours ago

The Eurofighter's prettier, estranged cousin

[–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago

Uses US engine