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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm saying this all over Lemmy, I was saying it all over reddit until they banned me with an aggression I never saw from that site's administration in over 14 years of using it regularly.

Which is that if we wish to save the human species, much less progressivism, we need better stories.

Trump won because he exploited the human need to simplify complex ideas into 2-dimensional narratives that even the most cracked-up yokels in the backwaters of the southern swamps could understand. Instead of the leftist need to educate, to inform, to give people all manner of rights to self-actualization that most people will NEVER exercise, he just plowed through all social decorum and started telling people how to feel and who's to blame and what they need to do. Simple, direct, effective.

Abhorrent sure, and may yet lead to end of us all, but if you cannot understand the effectiveness of the tactics he used you're blinded by emotion. Instead of being blinded by feelings, we need to start working together to craft new narratives for the results we actually want. It's not even that hard to do.

On an interpersonal level, we share more with each other than what separates us. I grew up in the boonies surrounded by the most racist hicks and rednecks you can imagine. I was one of them for a spell until I grew up, but a lot of people never grow up. They're all scared children who cling to their guns and bibles but when they're not trying to act boisterous and macho, they want the same things and can be shaped. The large majority of them don't actually want harm to come to LGTBQ+ people or people of color. They may be scared of these folks but if you just managed to expose enough of them to the right stories about these people, they would care a lot less. Their hate is largely manufactured because... and I don't say this lightly, they are fucking dumb.

We need to start accepting people are dumb and need fairy tales and exaggerated WWE wrestling theater productions to keep their interest. We have to stop pretending people care about principles. No, they care about how they feel right now. People don't care about values, about the constitution, they certainly don't care about what's real or not, they just care about how their leadership is making them feel at this moment. The left is TERRIBLE at managing other people's feelings, but the right doesn't care, they don't mind stepping on people's rights to think for themselves if it spreads the word. Why can't we do that? Why can't we start new stories to get the best results? Where is our up and coming generation of inspired grifters who can cold-read a room? We need them, but we need them harnessed for good.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Instead of being blinded by feelings, we need to start working together to craft new narratives for the results we actually want. It’s not even that hard to do.

Bingo.

I once got somebody to think differently about green energy by harassing the power of patriotism. His initial argument basically boiled down to "new is scary and I don't see why we need to change anyways", and I hit him with a "what are you talking about, innovation is what made america great", and I could see the loading icon spin in his brain.

I've also gotten conservative family in on medicare-for-all by pointing out that the military maybe doesn't have enough healthy citizens to pull from if a crisis happened, and if we're gonna be serious about national defense, we absolutely need national healthcare.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Hell yeah! This is exactly what I'm talking about, but what's holding us back from this process, an act that was once known as "talking to each other" is the sad fact that people don't talk to each other anymore.

I swear there are people online who act like manipulating people is some kind of dark jedi trick that only the most intellectual sages and evil wizards will ever accomplish, when it's literally what we do with each other all day long anyway, the simple act of having a conversation is trying to get someone to understand you or feel what you feel. If you can learn how to have a conversation, you can learn how to change people's minds.

I can explain things to dumb people with patience and an effort to make complex topics understandable and if you can do this AND sound halfway confident, BAM you either got a convert or you're on your way to starting a cult.