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U.S. President Donald Trump has ordered a suspension of all military aid to Ukraine, escalating pressure on President Volodymyr Zelensky mere days after a heated exchange in the Oval Office cast doubt on U.S. support for Kyiv.

A senior Defense Department official told Bloomberg that all U.S. military assistance to Ukraine is on hold until Trump determines that Ukrainian leaders are making a genuine effort toward peace.

The pause affects not only future aid but also weapons already in transit, including shipments on aircraft and ships, as well as equipment awaiting transfer in Poland.

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Edit: changed source from Bloomberg to Kyiv Independent b/c there's no paywall and more detail in the story.

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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 253 points 20 hours ago (9 children)

The U.S. Military and the CIA must know what a threat to the country Trump is, right?

......right?

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 17 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

As far as I'm aware, the military, in the best case, will simply refuse to follow unlawful orders. There are formal processes to do so. That's part of military culture and law. Whether that system will hold up to Trump is unknown. When he issues unlawful orders, will soldiers simply refuse to comply? Unknown.

But one thing is for sure. It's not part of military culture to actively resist. There is no formal process for that to be protected or OK. That's simply insurrection and rebellion.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 10 hours ago

Dictators fear military coups, that's why people like Putin keeps them weak and fighting themselves

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago

I don't think it's insurrection when our president is actively selling out our country to a hostile foreign power.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 116 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

The military that he just dismissed the leadership of and replaced with his own people, and the CIA that's directed by his people?

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 22 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Here's the pickle though. Wouldn't it be reasonable if another administration get in power and then need to purge all these positions of pro trump people?

Like what happens next? it's such a bleak world now.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn’t it be reasonable if another administration get in power and then need to purge all these positions of pro trump people?

Oh no! You have a great point for horror fans there.

I'd even say, it probably is somewhat necessary in order to resume administration. What a beautiful, postfactual dilemma:

The Reps fear an ideological, systemic witch hunt, which they use as an excuse to replace government workers. The new workers are ideologically aligned with the Reps, encouraged to assist the dismantling of non-Rep institutions and carry out the King's will above and beyond the law.

Now when votes swing the other way, the new administration kind of has to revert some of this damage to assume functioning.

Which is where the circle closes; the prophecy fulfills itself. Now the Reps have evidence for their previously baseless claims. The whole system is locked in a back-and-forth mud wrestling of replacing workers based on ideology.

[–] Phytobus@lemm.ee 4 points 10 hours ago

That's the problem with the two-party system in the USA, in a full democracy this dynamic wouldn't happen. This is the achilles heel of american democracy and the downfall seems to have begun.

[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 54 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

his own people,

of which are wildly incompetent

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

And the competent ones (as in the ones with experience at creation local militias and terrorist organizations) are gonna be out there creating the resistance.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 0 points 9 hours ago

But the deep state!

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 2 points 18 hours ago

Yep. Those ones. And the ones loyal to them.

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 54 points 18 hours ago

"Do you solemnly swear that you will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic ;that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that you take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that you will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which you are about to enter: So help you God?"

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 64 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Sometimes I wish the US were what tankies say it is.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com -3 points 7 hours ago

You wish the US to be a genocidal empire? poof nothing's changed

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 17 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I don't know that the CIA has ever given a shit about the United States.

Hell H.W. Bush was the son of a man that tried to overthrow the government and Ford appointed him to CIA director in the 70s.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 22 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Given how big a security leak the dipshit is, and he already got a ton of their agents in the field killed the first time around, it's not so much them caring about the US, but then seeing a threat to their own power.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 5 points 18 hours ago

Now that I would believe

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Edit: I was wrong HW was at the CIA the year after the Church Committee.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

If... Let's say if... It'll take some planning, they wouldn't just do it willy nilly they gotta plan the hit, find the right assets, find the right areas, research, etc. it takes a lot of work to whack somebody it's not like The Sopranos or anything.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah it's fucking wild the efforts they go through. Even if it's as discreet as a walk-by in a parking garage with a suppressed pistol or strangled in a car, there will be at least 10 people doing different jobs with zero knowledge of what the others are doing or what the end goal is, all doing a very simple task that any normal person could do with probable ignorance. Real life examples of how the mafia do hits are really intricate: You pay one guy to flatten a tire, you pay another guy to drive the tow truck, you pay another guy to ask them for directions to delay them a bit, you pay another guy to be an uber or taxi driver, you pay another guy to receive where the taxi/uber is going, this is all after paying probably a few other dudes to study their schedule and the schedule of their visitors/guests, pay another dude to get keep their neighbor or something distracted, pay another dude to take the shot and dip (source: I know a guy who knows a guy who knows another guy). It's very expensive and time consuming, that's why organized hits don't happen a lot it's gotta be worth the investment. This would be much harder to pull off against someone with 24/7 secret service guard, but the CIA/FBI/Police are pros at pulling shit off like this.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 17 hours ago

Very detailed. Are you, by any chance, a mob boss or their accountant?

[–] commander@lemmings.world 2 points 13 hours ago

What do you mean? Trump is an asset of the ruling class.

Rich people in the nation have literally nothing to fear while he's in office, so we shouldn't expect the military or any 3-letter agencies to do anything about it.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

He's a threat for the people not for the government or he wouldn't be the ceo.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What a fucking nonsensical comment

You gotta go for quality over quantity if you really want to impress the handlers 😉

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -1 points 8 hours ago

What a fucking nonsensical comment

same for yours

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

It’s up to the man on the street to take action.