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[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is a decent argument historically that communism and other left movements are extremist, racist, and anti-lgbtq. When you start banning concepts, you open your communities up to several things.

  1. Group think
  2. Banning of other radical ideologies that you may agree with
  3. You alienate those people from exposure to better concepts
  4. You jump start compaction cycles for large scale propaganda organizations that could lead to actual violence
[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

And you got downvoted for that truthful reality.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I said "bigots" and you immediately jumped to "whatabout communists?!"

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I provided four reasons why this was relevant and you jumped from communism to whataboutism? Talk about being intellectually lazy (Or a state-sponsored account)

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I provided four reasons why this was relevant

After starting right out the gate with:

There is a decent argument historically that communism and other left movements are extremist, racist, and anti-lgbtq.

We're talking about today. On a relatively new community. Frankly, I see no reason to tolerate the bigots you're so keen on coddling until they take over and make this another version of reddit's the_donald, complete with organizing nazi rallies. Particularly not with the vague and spurious "there is a decent argument" hand wavy FUD that you didn't explain as a justification. Are a lot of people saying it?

Moving onto your 4 points, let's look at how they worked so well over at reddit, with all the virtuous acceptance of intolerance and nazi-coddling they've done, shall we?

Group think

No, reddit has never had groupthink. Not for an instant. Thank god they let the bigots in otherwise they'd have groupthink!

Banning of other radical ideologies that you may agree with

Post anything on conservative even slightly counter to their bigoted orthodoxy and see how that goes. Hell, suggest that fascism is not amenable to reason and must be opposed with force anywhere on reddit and see how that goes.

You alienate those people from exposure to better concepts

They had abundant exposure to better concepts on reddit. Look how well that's worked so far. Clearly the answer is to let them spread their shit all over lemmy.

You jump start compaction cycles for large scale propaganda organizations that could lead to actual violence

the_donald literally promoted and helped organize a nazi rally where Heather Heyer was run over and killed by a nazi's car. On lovely ol' bigot-coddling reddit. The sub was not banned for years afterwards. I do not want that for lemmy. I left reddit the instant an alternative that didn't welcome bigotry got enough users.

Not everywhere has to entertain bigots. There's already too many places that do. A community that welcomes bigots is unwelcoming to everyone but bigots. But holy shit, does it ever drive engagement.

Or a state-sponsored account

Oh, we're throwing around wild accusations now?