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This makes sense, while I am having fun with Starfield, no mans sky offers an experience that I felt that Starfield promised and did not provide.
This is exactly what I heard on a podcast today (unfortunately I can’t play starfield) and basically boils down to the fact, that starfield really doesn’t offer anything more than mass effect did like 15 years ago - gameplay wise.
Which for me is absolutely fine. I’d much rather spend my time doing quests in detailed cities and occasionally going out to explore over the painfully empty universe of NMS. And I love NMS just for difference reasons. NMS is like a relaxing sandbox game for me, but Mass Effect and Starfield brings the characters, story, worldbuilding, quests, factions.
Apple to oranges then?
I agree with both of you. I was hoping Starfield would be a mix of both, but sadly, it isn't
Exactly! The problem comes when you overpromise and overhype stuff and then don’t deliver on that front - which is a shame.
And yes, you really can’t compare NMS and starfield, as you mentioned.
I asked the question(last night on Team Fortress 2, the people's forum), if Starfield isn't a good space game, is it still a good Bethesda game?
And the answer? Mostly yes. I've added it to my wishlist. I'll get it whenever I can mod in 500 different improvements to shit they'll never fix.
The question now is, how does a good Bethesda game compare to all the other games released?
Same here, but I definitely need to upgrade my PC first haha But by then it should run fine and there should be mod support as well.
Well if you don't expect much more than previous ganes I guess.
They removed some stuff like the NPCs don't have schedules so it's a little bit weird when you get missions of go there and put this documents in there or steal something from that office just to find out they work 365/7/24h.... not random NPCs, NPCs with names that live in the office. So that plan of getting in at night or something goes to shit. Or waiting for that specific guy to leave the office.... nah not happening.
That said... you can enter a company an walk through it visit the boss office go through it to their back warehousesteal whatever and as long as they don see you directly do something they don't care one bit, no disguise no tricking them into thinking you are a technician or shit nah, look at me I work here now. Really really dumb. You have to use your imagination of how that actually happen.
Unfortunately for me, I did expect a bit more… but that’s on me.
Baldur’s gate for sure set the bar quite high in some aspects - and rightfully so imho.
As a day1 NMS player who is getting a bit bored with the game, if you said to me hey there's a new game and it's pretty similar to mass effect... I'd be very interested in that!
Not every game is for everyone, I know quite a few people just don't seem to get NMS. I often take breaks from it now but each expedition / update brings me back; it's amazing how far the game has come and it still surprises me how addictive I find it after 7 years. It's awesome when a game comes out that reinvents the wheel but maybe not every game has to do that, it can just be a decent game to spend some time forgetting about our worries in?
I've not played Starfield yet but looking forward to trying it out, guess I should keep my expectations low then I'll be less likely to be disappointed.
I’m a Day 1 NMS player too and I’m really glad and impressed how much the turned the ship around. I also come back for the expeditions/updates!
You’re right, nobody excepts a new invention of the wheel every time, but to keep with your analogy, I would be nice if the at least used the newer/updated wheel instead of hanging on to 15 year old ones - sure they still work, but the newer ones offer a lot of things I’ve got used to. Or in other words, the standards have changed quite a bit.
I really don’t want to hate on the game, it’s definitely on my list and if I can justify a small PC upgrade I will definitely play it. But I’m just a bit… disappointed, that Starfield didn’t live up to the hype/promises - this is also on me, I got again caught a bit by the hypetrain.
I really hate that this has become a trend now… I really don’t know why and how, but at least in my opinion, this changed drastically over the last view years. I can remember when I rode the hypetrain until the release and wasn’t disappointed… but nowadays you really have to keep your expectations low to end up not disappointed (there are of course expectations).
Agree 100%. To borrow a phrase that's popular atm, I think it's the 'enshittification' trend at work in games just like social media. Games used to be made by comparatively-smaller teams, devs often had a very deep passion for what they were creating. I'm sure that's still the case for many devs now but with so many big developers now being owned and controlled by publishers... it's becoming less and less a passion project, and more a "how much juice can we squeeze out of this lemon" scenario. Then you've got stuff being outsourced massively to lots of little providers in order to deal with the scale of modern games, which causes fractures and lack of cohesion in the overall vision (imo).
TBH, NMS taught me a valuable lesson, not to overhype anything. And that's not to say I'm now a pessimist, more I'd say I'm a realist... prepare for the worst, hope for the best kinda thing. Then CP77 reinforced that, the one studio I still had faith in did exactly what all the others did by releasing a half-baked game that didn't live up to their claims (though I'm definitely looking forward to the new update, tempering expectations as always now).
Yeah, it really feels like enshittification… gaming just got so big over the last few years. It really is not as niche as it was.
Oh yes, NMS was actually the first game I pre-ordered (digitally as well) and played it at midnight - hyped beyond the stars… to be disappointed. Then I was stupid enough to run across town to a shop that sold CP2077 a day early - to be massively disappointed again. Do you think I’ve learned my lesson - no, I also pre-ordered with a group of friend BF2042, because “they cannot possibly drop the ball” - we all now how that turned out.
At least with NMS, they really turned it around and added so much free content. With CP2077, we will see with the new 2.0 update and the DLC, but I wait for sure for reviews this time. And yeah BF2042 is now in the state it should have launched in… this is the one I regret the most.
So by now, I have learned my lesson and am proud to say that I’m pre-order free and never in my life will pre-order something again. As you said, keep the expectations low and wait for reviews and the feedback of people here on lemmy. I any don’t have so much time to play games anymore and a few days longer also don’t hurt.
At least you're not missing anything that great, since you can't play it.
I don’t understand where they promised space sim. I think people are getting confused with what was promised and what was hoped for.
Probably because it was compared with Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen a lot. I saw a lot of talk about it in those communities. And the YouTubers who cover those games posted a lot of videos about Starfield too. So at least from that perspective, I can understand why folks would. I certainly thought there was going to be some element of space sim in it.
But they were very clear about what you could and couldn't do.
Yeah, but people don't listen and make up their own headcanon, only to be sorely disappointed.
We've seen that time and time again.
Well, if some people are anything like me then there's a bunch of people who had no interest in the hype train, didn't watch those YouTube videos and just went off of the video titles when they popped up in subscriptions.
NMS is one of my most played games with over 500hours. What experience does it offer better than Starfield? Outside of seamless planet travel, NMS is a lot less compared to Starfield. Everything is proc gen, the variety is pretty low.
Your first 100 hours in No Man's Sky will be packed to the brim with discovery, holy shit, random thing, stuff you didn't even know existed, three or four ships you didn't even know you could get, giant space cruisers, black holes on an almost never repeating dispense to your face.
Generative Aliens and planets aside, NMS is full of surprises.
True, but once I went through my first black hole, I came out somewhere in the middle of the great unknown, and I thought ok, now what? Do I just go back and diddle around in my own area, or what is this endless vast space even for? I kind of had an existential crisis making me wonder why I was doing anything in the game at all, why did anything I do matter? Never felt that one on a game before, haven't gone back yet because I'm not sure what to do.
Yeah but who cares since it's all generated?