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    Background: 15 years of experience in software and apparently spoiled because it was already set up correctly.

    Been practicing doing my own servers, published a test site and 24 hours later, root was compromised.

    Rolled back to the backup before I made it public and now I have a security checklist.

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    [–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

    wow crazy that this was the default setup. It should really force you to either disable root or set a proper password (or warn you)

    [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Most distributions disable root by default

    [–] satans_methpipe@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

    Which ones? I'm asking because that isn't true for cent, rocky, arch.

    [–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    Mostly Ubuntu. And... I think it's just Ubuntu.

    [–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Fedora (immutable at least) has it disabled by default I think, but it's just one checkbox away in one of the setup menus.

    [–] Damage@feddit.it 3 points 3 weeks ago

    Standard Fedora does as well

    [–] satans_methpipe@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Ah fair enough, I know that's the basis of a ton of distros. I lean towards RHEL so I'm not super fluent there.

    [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

    we're probably talking about different things. virtually no distribution comes with root access with a password. you have to explicitly give the root user a password. without a password no amount of brute force sshing root will work. I'm not saying the root user is entirely disabled. so either the service OP is building on is basically a goldmine for compromised machines or OP literally shot themselves in the root by giving root a password manually. something you should never do.

    [–] satans_methpipe@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

    Yeah I was confused about the comment chain. I was thinking terminal login vs ssh. You're right in my experience...root ssh requires user intervention for RHEL and friends and arch and debian.

    Side note: did you mean to say "shot themselves in the root"? I love it either way.

    [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

    Side note: did you mean to say β€œshot themselves in the root”? I love it either way.

    ssh its better with the typo. ;)

    [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Many cloud providers (the cheap ones in particular) will put patches on top of the base distro, so sometimes root always gets a password. Even for Ubuntu.

    There are ways around this, like proper cloud-init support, but not exactly beginner friendly.

    [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

    #no thank you lol

    [–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 weeks ago

    Rocky asks during setup, I assume centOS too

    [–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Love Hetzner. You just give them your public key and they boot you into a rescue system from which you can install what you want how you want.

    [–] r00ty@kbin.life 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    I think their auction servers are a hidden gem. I mean the prices used to be better. Now they have some kind of systrem that resets them when they get too low. But the prices are still pretty good I think. But a year or two ago I got a pretty good deal on two decently spec'd servers.

    People are scared off by the fact you just get their rescue prompt on auctions boxes... Except their rescue prompt has a guided imaging setup tool to install pretty much every popular distro with configurable raid options etc.

    [–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Yeah, I basically jump from auction system to auction system every other year or so and either get a cheaper or more powerful server or both.

    [–] r00ty@kbin.life 6 points 4 weeks ago

    I monitor for good deals. Because there's no contract it's easy to add one, move stuff over at your leisure and kill the old one off. It's the better way to do it for semi serious stuff.

    [–] Tablaste@linux.community 3 points 4 weeks ago

    Now that you mentioned it, it didn't! I recall even docker Linux setups would yell at me.