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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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If learning incorrect things is EY's only definition of trauma, his existence must be eternal torment. (nitter.net)
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@EY
This advice won't be for everyone, but: anytime you're tempted to say "I was traumatized by X", try reframing this in your internal dialogue as "After X, my brain incorrectly learned that Y".

I have to admit, for a brief moment i thought he was correctly expressing displeasure at twitter.

@EY
This is of course a dangerous sort of tweet, but I predict that including variables into it will keep out the worst of the online riff-raff - the would-be bullies will correctly predict that their audiences' eyes would glaze over on reading a QT with variables.

Fool! This bully (is it weird to speak in the third person ?) thinks using variables here makes it MORE sneer worthy, especially since this appear to be a general advice, but i would struggle to think of a single instance in my life where it's been applicable.

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is gold. Perfect example of what goes wrong with Rationalism. So EY has a shower thought which he thinks will help traumatized people (which fair enough, helping people is good. (I also assume he showers and not I don't know rub backingsoda all over himself as a lifehack. I only know these people over the internet)).

Sadly the thought itself is a first principles vulkanlike thought, which ignores the whole emotional part of trauma (and how complex trauma is), and starts from a wrong conclusion. (Trauma is the brain making learning a wrong thing). Then, what would a normal inquisitive person do, after they just had a thought like this? Well, ask people who know more about this, or if you have enough followers, phrase your shower thought as a question. But, because we think this is normal that is why we are not cult leaders, CEO's, Alpha Males, Innovators, etc. The thought is posted as a statement, a commandment from from up high. 'Thou shall not think of thyself as traumatized in my lightcone, after X thy meat incorrectly learned that Y!'

And when a few nonbluecheck fans (ow god why do the ones who agree with him all have bluechecks? (im giving him the benefit of the doubt and assume Musk gave it to him because Musk wants to suck up to EY)) disagree with him this gets handwaved away, or countered in a way that wrecks the initial remark.

Then there is the inclusion of the 'im being bullied for my dangerous ideas! But I tricked by bullies because they are dumb jocks who are traumatized by variables' part (of course he doesn't really want to get rid of the bullies, this is signaling to his audience). Absolute classic addition, this is why he is still The King. And also the small thing that he never loops his new idea back in on himself to realize that he himself has traumatized himself by making up AI fear scenarios.

Gold.