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[–] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

The point stands though. Pure Anarchism is a power vacuum. There is no way to achieve a power vacuum, it will be quickly filled — the most basic way it is filled is by dictators and warlords. You want to live in a power vacuum? Ask yourself how you will enforce it and suddenly you’re no longer talking about anarchy.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Ask yourself how you will enforce it and suddenly you’re no longer talking about anarchy.

this is a no true Scotsman.

[–] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

No we’re talking about definitions. You’re advocating for anarchy being a viable state for humankind, I’m saying practically you can’t enforce or defend its existence without turning it in to something that it is not by definition. It is practically impossible to defend a state of anarchy as it will and always has been overpowered by a more organized, hierarchical force.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 19 hours ago

it will and always has been overpowered by a more organized, hierarchical force.

you can't prove this

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Pure Anarchism is a power vacuum

power vacuums are fictions deployed by imperialist forces to justify regime change

[–] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

? No, power vacuums can exist and are quickly filled by any group with a modicum of power. Look at ISIS. The US deposed the Iraqi government. The new government was weak and those with a stockpile of weapons and funding from other interested countries quickly swept in and took control of large swaths of territory. They also took territory in Syria after the Arab Spring put Assad on his back foot, unable to maintain power in the east.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

they are a story that people tell to explain the world. but they are not a phenomenon that can be empirically tested.

[–] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It's not so hard to understand. Let's try.

ISIS wants your stuff. But, your government stops them from taking your stuff. Uh oh, the government is gone. Now ISIS shows up, and they take your stuff.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 18 hours ago
[–] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t even understand the point you’re trying to make.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

there is no such thing as a power vacuum. it's just a story telling device.

[–] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

What is anarchy then? Is it not some state in which everyone agrees not to take power?

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 17 hours ago

there are a lot of competing theories. personally, I have begun to favor non-prefigurative models of revolution, so you should probably consult others on what they think they will build after the revolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal%3AAnarchism?wprov=sfla1

[–] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

How did gangs take control of Haiti? How did warlords take control of Somalia? I guess those governments just decided to dissolve and hand over their monopolies on violence to other groups.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 19 hours ago

I don't know the particular histories you're talking about, but I bet it involves private property, prisons, and policing. none of that is anarchy.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The point stands though.

no, it doesn't

[–] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Oh okay, thanks for that enlightening response.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 19 hours ago