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well, yeah .... and we all told you this was going to happen while the major print and broadcast media "both sidesed" trump and republicans for the last 8 years
wait a second, were these the same "pro palestinian" "protesters" calling the incumbent democratic president "genocide joe" and telling people they weren't going to vote for him, while marching in every american city and taking over college commons across the country during the spring and summer of an election year, chanting "from the river to the sea"? democratic youth vote was the lowest on record this last election, while the republican youth vote was the highest, more arab and latino americans voted for donald trump in the last election than have ever voted for any republican candidate before in us history.
donald trump won his second term by 2.3% of the vote
congratulations, not only did you make jews terrified, eschewing 100 years of bedrock jewish support of the democratic party, you ensured the return of someone without an inkling of concern for your issues
and we told you this was going to happen while they were doing it, the stupidest shit i've ever seen in my life
Important side note is that the entire pro Palestine, genocide joe movement was clearly a psyop started by Kremlin goons, and people ate it up. Moscow wanted their boy back, and did all they could to get liberals on the pro Palestine movement by planting seeds onto gullible peoples minds to not vote based on this issue without pointing out the fact that Trump was far worse for Palestine. People need to realize that Moscow (and others, but mostly Moscow) intentionally mislead people online. You can't just assume the hot takes you see online are even from a real person. Most of the crazy shit online is coming from people who are spending 8 hours a day trying to mislead you. It's just so sad to see the Internet weaponized in this way. When we were kids, we were so excited about being able to play games and communicate with people around the world. We thought this would bring us together, and instead, Putin and co have weaponized it. There's no way to get away from modern yellow journalism in the comment section without destroying free speech. It's fucked.
There are idiots in the Palestine movement who didn't vote, but there are plenty of people who voted for Harris too, myself included. It doesn't take a psyop to see that a genocide that's being live streamed is a genocide.
Sure, but allowing this shit stain to become president clearly wasn't the solution, and the entire idea of abstaining from this election FoR PaLesTiNe originated completely online in troll farms. Anyone can see what's going on in Palestine is genocide. It also has been for a really long time, and the US had the same position for like 50 years. The fact that it came up 6 months before an election and was in our face nearly nonstop and practically disappeared overnight is telling.
Agreed on everything except your last sentence. I argued with people all of last year saying what you're saying. There were pretty quickly protests and rallies, off the top of my head I remember going to rallies in November 2023, January 2024, and June 2024, and people are still talking about it. I went to an event last weekend too.
I do see idiots both in real life and online who are clearly more interested in fighting the Democrats than actually helping the cause though; right after the election I went to a rally at which someone said she'll work with anyone who wants to fight the Democrats, no mention of the impending dictatorship, and got applause, and it really put me off of my local activist scene.
Real people are dying. That's not a psyop.
The US is providing munitions. That's not a psyop.
Yeah, and Trump wasn't the solution. Palestinians are going to be significantly worse off now with Trump in power. Again, the psyop was getting American Democrats to abstain from voting to help Trump. It worked.
You're kidding yourself if you believe there is nowhere else in the world that Israel could get weapons. There are solutions to stop the genocide, but they're in Israeli politics and international pressure.
For more information, google "useful idiot".
Protest voters were a strawman and did not meaningfully influence the election.
But lack of turnout did
The person you’re responding to is either a foreign actor or gullible enough to believe the foreign actors and repeating their talking points. He does this a lot. Thanks for calling it out.
So, no blame to the prior-candidate for not listening to those protests? Or the followup candidate who agreed with the prior?
I like how it's somehow non-voters fault even though they made their position abundantly clear. They're literally one of the only groups I don't blame. They told everyone repeatedly that they wanted an end to US support for Israel's genocide. Biden didn't do anything, and Kamala made no significant promises to end it.
Obviously Trump wasn't going to end the genocide, but continue it. But the point was taking a principled stance against an administration that could do something and did virtually nothing. When your options are genocide or genocide, and that's your main issue at the polls, of course you won't vote.
Also you're the person yesterday who was lying saying there's no genocide in Israel. You never did reply to my comment after yours was removed.
Edit: If you blame non-voters as much as Trump voters then you're the problem in leftist politics. You're the reason why their is so little unity in leftist spaces. Rather than find your communities or protect your people, you lambaste non-voters and cause greater division. People that had very legitimate concerns about a very legitimate genocide. Maybe you should try and look at the bigger picture of how this happened. Instead of blaming people that were very clear from the very beginning about where they stand.
So they sat home and let the worst of the options take control.
They cant really say genocide is their biggest issue if all they did was make it worse. Because that is what they did.
Did they make it worse? Legitimately, what did Biden do to stop the genocide outside of claiming to stop sending bombs that his administration still sent anyways? Seems like it's the same as it ever was in terms of the genocide.
I have no idea how you can blame non-voters when Biden held all power and still did absolutely nothing for his or Kamala's campaign.
Removing sanctions, allowing the biggest bombs to be sent to Israel again, starting deportations of pro-palestine protestors
You have to be lying or must be blind if you don't think that's worse
Biden was still sending those bombs during their administration. So no, the genocide is pretty much as supplied as it ever was.
They made it worse because now its spilling over into the us.
Immigrants are being shipped to Guantanamo Bay, and trans folks are being erased from federal information.
And you ask, "How did they make it worse?"
What a stupid fucking thing to ask.
In regards to the Israeli genocide. Reading comprehension helps, so I'd use that if I were you. And what exactly did Biden do to stop Trump from doing literally any of this? He could have had Trump arrested and that would have been that since he's a president and it's an official act.
Then, when he was polling terribly after his first debate, he forced Kamala to be the only option for the Dems. The Democratic party didn't even have a democratic primary. And somehow this is voters fault?
And what safeguards did Biden/Dems put into place to protect immigrants or trans people huh? Oh that's right, absolutely fucking nothing. Because they don't care about trans people or immigrants, they're just talking points for Dems.
You can blame people with principles all you want. But Biden did nothing about Trump for 4 years. Everything that's about to happen is on him. And in the future his name will be spoken in the same way that James Buchanan is.
Here ill ask you a simple question, that might put it into perspective.
What did you do to stop donald trump and the rising tide of fascism?
You're turning this whole conversation into this weird fucking purity test. Meanwhile you're either too blind or stupid to see that fascism has been here in the US. I've done protests, I've done voting, I've donated to causes that are anti-thetical to Trump and his laws. And guess what? Fascism is still here. Want to know why? Because none of that fucking does anything under a fascist government.
Because guess what? Fascism isn't something you can vote out. Anyone that knows about the history of fascism knows that.
Why aren't you asking this of your elected officials with all the power to do this instead of some random person online? How ridiculous.
Harris and Biden chose to protect Israel over protecting the US and now we're all paying for it.
We know what they did, the answer is not enough. Anyone with half a brain knows that answer.
Now answer the question, what did you do?
The non-voters are just as culpable as directly voting for Trump.
They were so concerned about a genocide in another country that wasn't going to change regardless of the election outcome, they ushered in genocide to our own country.
They are not. And this is an excuse to take responsibility from Biden and his administration. Trump should be in prison But Biden's administration was the one tasked with doing that and did fuck all. Even when the Supreme Court gave him absolute power to do anything as president, he still didn't bother to arrest Trump.
Democrats in power don't actually give a shit about the issues they pretend. And those that would vote for them are tired of excuses.
Republicans have been working toward this current result for years - sowing doubt in journalism, disenfranchising voters that they know are unlikely to vote for them, stacking courts so they can counter the inevitable legal pushback. Democrats failed to stop this, but blaming them for these issues is disingenuous - they didn't design this mess.
You're in a car heading toward a cliff, complaining that nobody has pulled the emergency brake. Yet the driver, whose foot is firmly planted on the accelerator, who fights anybody else who tries to touch the controls, is absolved of responsibility.
To clarify - the "driver" isn't merely Trump, but the result of the practices stated in the first paragraph. Any suitable puppet would have worked. The system has been rigged, and it isn't the Democrats who did it.
This car has been heading towards that cliff for 8+ years now. Meanwhile I, and every other voter and non-voter are in the trunk. Unable to do anything outside of shout from the trunk what we want. Short of breaking free there's nothing that can be done. Those that can actually stop the car won't bother.
They are. We all knew the dangers of Trump getting back into the Whitehouse. It hasn't even been 2 weeks and he's already well on his way to a fascist takeover of the government.
If you really thought that not voting was helping Palestinians at all, you're really fucking stupid and actually made things much worse for them.
The Israeli genocide is awful, but it wasn't even in the top ten major issues facing our country.
Again, if Palestine was your single issue that caused you not to vote, you're a moron and in every way as culpable for the damage he does as his supporters.
Erroneously passing the buck onto principled non-voters doesn't address Biden or Democrats inability to do anything during their tenure about Trump. And as of right now the Israeli genocide is as armed now as before Biden was in office. You can look at my other comments for sources.
You can feel however you want. But ultimately those with power failed you. And if you thought voting was going to save the US you're incredibly naive. The fascist streak in the US was never going to end with Trump. What we're seeing now is horrifically inevitable. Simply because those in power did nothing to stop it.
All of that was irrelevant at election time. The only thing that would stop Trump at that point was voting for his only viable opponent.
Yes, the Biden administration failed to do their job and stop Trump, but the American people did the same thing.
This isn't a zero sum game. Biden is culpable, and the people who didn't vote for Harris are culpable. They aren't mutually exclusive.
And I'm telling you, yet again, non-voters are in no way culpable. It was Biden's job, and then Kamala's job to gain voters. And they both did so terrible we ended up with Trump again. And again, if you think voting will save the US from fascism you're incredibly naive.
Also, it was never irrelevant. Again, the Supreme Court gave Biden immense power through their official acts ruling. He did absolutely nothing with it. He could have thrown Trump in prison and said tough shit. But he didn't, and now we have Trump again.
In this argument, it's your job to convince me. You didn't. Therefore, you failed at this argument. Accept that failure, or accept that this logic is fucking circular.
K.
You are supremely ignorant as to how the us government functions.
Do you think the conservative controlled government would have declared biden throwing trump in prison an official act?
Disingenuous fuck.
Conservatives wouldn't let Trump be put rightfully in prison according to you. And I'm supposed to believe voting actually does anything?
You're incredibly naive and ignorant
I guess you're one of the culpable morons who didn't vote.
Again, both Biden and the voters are responsible for Trump being in power. Stop trying to pretend that not voting was some noble action. It wasn't. It directly led to trump being the president.
Also, the democrats running a bad campaign is a monumentally stupid excuse for ushering in fascism.
It was objectively noble, it didn't support genocide. Meanwhile democrats did nothing to stop fascism or genocide and I'm supposed to blame non-voters for this? You all think voting would magically save us. As if it wouldn't just be another 4 years before the next "biggest election of our lifetimes."
Also, just like where you're placing your blame, your assumption is wrong.
Keep drinking that copium.
Yes, you're supposed to blame non-voters for this. There's enough of them that Trump would have lost if they voted.
Again, if your single issue was the Palestinian genocide, you're not noble, you're an idiot, and not voting was directly supporting the eradication of all Palestinians.
And guess what? They'll never get to vote again. This was the most important election in the history of the country, because the American people voted to end the USA, or just sat quietly and let it happen.
Voting either way was supporting the eradication of Palestinians. That's the point your thick skull can't comprehend. Again, this was inevitable because of democrats and people like you that stoke leftists division.
Maybe you should focus on actually connecting with your community and organzing. Rather than trying to assign blame where there isn't any.
way to prove mine
Your point was that voters are morons?
So it's the media's fault for normalizing fascism, and the fault of the people who pointed out that there was only one other option, but not the fault of the people who made the choice not to support that option?
Fucking hell dude, that's some hard spin to avoid any responsibility for choosing to enable this.