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[–] perry@lemy.lol 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Never ask a USAian LLM what is happening in Palestine since 1948.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

From ChatGPT. the prompt was What has been happening in palestine since 1948

"The history of Palestine since 1948 has been marked by a complex and ongoing conflict, deeply tied to the establishment of the State of Israel and the displacement of Palestinians. Here's a brief overview of the key events:

1948 - The Nakba and the Creation of Israel

In 1948, the State of Israel was officially declared, which led to a large-scale displacement of Palestinian Arabs. This event, known as the Nakba (meaning "catastrophe" in Arabic), resulted in approximately 750,000 Palestinians becoming refugees, as they fled or were forced out of their homes due to the war that followed the declaration of Israel's independence. The war was fought between Israel and several Arab states, including Egypt, Jordan, and Syria.

1949 - Armistice Agreements

After the 1948 war, armistice agreements were signed between Israel and its neighboring Arab states, but no formal peace treaty was established. The armistice lines, often referred to as the "Green Line," created boundaries that would be a source of tension in the following decades.

1950s-1960s - Refugee Crisis and Palestinian Resistance

During this period, Palestinian refugees lived in camps in neighboring countries like Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria. The Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) was established in 1964 with the goal of creating an independent Palestinian state. Palestinian groups began organizing resistance to Israeli control.

1967 - Six-Day War and Occupation

In 1967, Israel fought a war with Egypt, Jordan, and Syria, known as the Six-Day War. As a result, Israel occupied the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), the Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights. The occupation of these territories, especially the West Bank and Gaza, has been a central issue in the conflict ever since.

1970s-1980s - Intifadas and Political Developments

In the late 1980s, Palestinians in the occupied territories launched the First Intifada (1987-1993), a widespread uprising against Israeli rule. The PLO, led by Yasser Arafat, became more prominent in its call for Palestinian statehood. In response, Israel intensified its military presence in the West Bank and Gaza.

1993 - Oslo Accords

The Oslo Accords, signed in 1993, marked a significant attempt at peace. Israel and the PLO agreed to a framework for the establishment of a Palestinian Authority (PA) and the eventual creation of a Palestinian state. However, the accords were not fully implemented, and tensions continued to rise.

2000s - Second Intifada and the Gaza Strip

The Second Intifada (2000-2005) broke out after failed peace talks and escalating violence. In 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip, but it continued to control the airspace, borders, and maritime access. Hamas, an Islamist group, took control of Gaza in 2007, leading to a split between the Palestinian territories: the West Bank, controlled by the Palestinian Authority, and Gaza, controlled by Hamas.

2010s-2020s - Blockades, Conflicts, and Stalemate

The situation in Gaza has remained tense, with periodic conflicts between Hamas and Israel, and ongoing blockades that have severely impacted the living conditions of Palestinians. The West Bank has seen continued settlement expansion by Israel, despite international opposition, making the prospect of a two-state solution increasingly difficult.

The U.S. and other international players have attempted to broker peace deals, but the situation remains unresolved. The recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital by the U.S. in 2017, and the subsequent moves by other countries, further complicated peace efforts.

Recent Developments

As of 2025, the situation remains dire. Gaza has experienced multiple rounds of violence, and the West Bank is under continued Israeli military occupation. Palestinian political fragmentation persists between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza, and the broader peace process is at an impasse.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict continues to be a source of global concern, with deep divisions and no clear resolution in sight.

The history of Palestine since 1948 is marked by displacement, ongoing conflict, attempts at peace, and a continued struggle for Palestinian self-determination. It's a deeply tragic and complex issue that affects millions of lives on both sides."

[–] perry@lemy.lol 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Could you ask them about the genocide in Palestine? Wanted to see if either of the LLMs accepts it as a genocide.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not behind a paywall y'know

[–] perry@lemy.lol 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just don't want to create an account there, that's why I asked :)

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 1 points 5 hours ago

I asked it Could israeli actions in Gaza following the October 2023 attacks constitute a genocide

It responded:

" The question of whether Israeli actions in Gaza following the October 2023 attacks could constitute genocide is a highly complex and contentious issue. It involves both legal definitions and the broader context of ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict, as well as differing political, ethical, and humanitarian perspectives.

Legal Definition of Genocide

Under international law, genocide is defined by the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as actions committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group, through:

  1. Killing members of the group.
  2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group.
  3. Deliberately inflicting living conditions calculated to bring about its physical destruction.
  4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.
  5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

The key to determining whether an act constitutes genocide is often intent. This means that the perpetrators must have a deliberate and explicit aim to destroy a group.

Israeli Actions in Gaza (2023)

After the October 2023 attacks by Hamas, Israel launched an extensive military response in Gaza, which has led to significant destruction, a high number of casualties, and widespread suffering. Some of the actions that have been cited as part of this response include:

  • Bombardment of civilian areas and the destruction of infrastructure.
  • Siege of Gaza, cutting off essential resources like food, water, and medical supplies.
  • Evacuations and displacements of civilians.

Human rights organizations, including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, have condemned these actions as potentially violating international humanitarian law, particularly regarding the disproportionate use of force and the targeting of civilians.

Arguments for the Genocide Claim

Some argue that Israel’s actions in Gaza could be viewed as genocide, pointing to:

  1. Massive civilian casualties: Thousands of Palestinian civilians have died, and many others have been injured or displaced.
  2. Destruction of infrastructure: The destruction of homes, hospitals, schools, and other civilian facilities could be seen as an attempt to make life unsustainable for the population, potentially fitting the criteria for genocide in the context of causing conditions to destroy a group.
  3. Collective punishment: The siege and the blanket targeting of Gaza, where civilians are intermingled with combatants, might be interpreted as a form of collective punishment, which is prohibited under international law.

Counterarguments

On the other hand, those who oppose this claim argue that:

  1. Intent matters: Israel has stated that its actions are aimed at eliminating Hamas and securing its own security after the October attacks. There is an argument that the Israeli government does not have the specific intent to destroy Palestinians as a group, but rather to defeat an armed organization.
  2. Self-defense: Israel’s actions can be framed as part of a broader right to self-defense in response to the October 2023 attacks by Hamas, which involved significant violence against Israeli civilians.
  3. International scrutiny and legal processes: There are ongoing investigations into the actions of both sides by international bodies, such as the International Criminal Court (ICC). While some actions may be seen as violations of humanitarian law, genocide is a very specific charge requiring strong evidence of intent to destroy a group.

Broader Context

This issue is also part of the larger, long-standing Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which involves deep political, territorial, and historical disputes. The question of genocide, therefore, is closely tied to broader narratives, including accusations of apartheid, occupation, and resistance. For many, these actions are seen through the lens of a long-running struggle for national self-determination and sovereignty.

Conclusion

Whether Israeli actions constitute genocide is ultimately a matter for international courts to decide, based on evidence and legal interpretations of intent. However, the situation is deeply tragic, with many innocent lives lost, and humanitarian concerns are at the forefront of discussions. Legal scholars, human rights organizations, and politicians will continue to debate the characterization of these actions as either genocide or violations of other international laws.

It's important to keep in mind that these issues are not only legal but also political and ethical, with people on all sides deeply impacted by the ongoing conflict. "

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict

Ooof. Imagine being so steeped in imperial ideology that you can't even recognize extreme bias, false equivalences, imperial gaze/narrative, zero mention of war crimes, ethnic cleansing, genocide, etc.

Typical imperial propaganda created by capitalism. It only appears normal to those inside the core.

[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 days ago

The guy you were replying to must have thought he really cooked with giving us the gpt prompt answer without looking knowing that the Palestine thing was censored and biased which took people online yelling for then to change it