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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1874605

A 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother are facing criminal charges including performing an illegal abortion and concealing a dead body after police obtained the pair’s private chat history from Facebook, court documents published by Motherboard show.

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[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just yesterday here on Lemmy, I mentioned the dangers of violating privacy, and some commenters went on about "what dangers?" Implying there were none...

Is it not enough to gesture broadly?

[–] DrQuint@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

At this point, they'll just say "yeah, but these people did a crime. I don't do crimes so I have nothing to worry about". The problem with that mentality, I would hope, doesn't need to be stated.

I stopped trying to change the world.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the perfect example of why you should be worried. Because your government can turn into a fascist dictatorship at any time and you ain't getting that data back.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago

How is this an example of the government turning into a "fascist dictatorship"?

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I agree that these people did a crime.

I just don't think their crime should be illegal.

If this was about murdering a full-grown adult and not aborting a fetus, nobody would be talking about privacy concerns. Guaranteed.

[–] brainrein@feddit.de 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you know they committed a crime. After reading the article I don’t know. It looks totally as if it’s possible that she just had a miscarriage.

Maybe there’s just a prosecutor eager for convictions.

Maybe she was trying do avoid exactly this kind of trouble.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago

She took abortion drugs.....

[–] Milk_SDF_Possum@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Also, there's no general agreement or scientific pointing of where life and consciousness is started on a fetus so, if the government job is to conserve the life of a individual, a fetus life still matters and shouldn't be taken by neither the parents or anyone else.

Brazil (ironically enough) has a good constitution about about abortion where's it is strictly prohibited unless some cases apply like: the baby has developed no brain, the baby has originated from a sexual assault case or the process of giving birth or the pregnancy itself represents a risk of death for the mother. It is simple, states that life's have the same values as well as showing the individual rights matter.

[–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do you think a life created by sexual assault is less valuable than a life created otherwise? Isn’t the resulting life the same?

Thinking this through might help you understand the tradeoffs behind most abortions. Pregnancy is dangerous, childbirth is dangerous, parenting is incredibly difficult.

A child could push a family into poverty and devastate siblings’ futures. How do you evaluate the harm caused by that against the harm caused by being forced to carry a child produced by sexual assault?

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A child could push a family into poverty and devastate siblings’ futures.

A child can also be put up for adoption btw.

[–] raistlin@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which often means shoving them into massively underfunded institutions, that are full of corruption and abuse, making it a less than ideal alternative.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone -1 points 1 year ago

Less ideal than being dead?

[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're joking, right? First, abortions aren't mentioned in the Brazilian constitution - you'd have to look at specific legal codices, such as the Civil Code or the Penal Code. Second, that's the bare minimum, not "pretty good".

[–] Milk_SDF_Possum@lemmy.sdf.org -3 points 1 year ago

The objective is supposed to be to find the situations where abortion would be fair a fair trade-off of lives and rights, not to try to speedrun the abortion rank; it makes no sense you're saying it is bare minimum when the objective is to reduce it as it is inherently bad.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would you be ok with someone aborting a 39 week old fetus? What about a 40 week old fetus? What about during labour?

[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 1 year ago

Slippery slope fallacy detected

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No one has anything to hide, until they do

[–] waspentalive@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

I once heard that "Anyone can be charged with a crime if they can be watched closely enough for long enough."