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No link given because it's all over the news. If you ask for proof you're going to have to eat my ass.

A lot of people are going to say it wasn't intended as a Nazi salute, and to that, I say: it doesn't matter. Was it a dog whistle? A variation of a Nazi salute from a South African neo-nazi party? Or just the vanilla salute? Such pontification is a waste of time. Fokker is a Nazi; you didn't need to see him salute. To all the regulars here, Musk being a Nazi is just an axiom of his whole deal. I mean, it's not called technofascism for nothing.

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 13 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

This clip from bsky put it next to (I think) a clip from american history X, and he even pulls the same face

E: Dutch onion news site Historians: Hitler did the Musk greeting. lol. (The only 'news' in .nl which I so far have seen it call a nazi salute openly btw, so not going well here).

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Finnish state broadcaster YLE thankfully doing a little better.

The arm wave has been interpreted as a nazi salute in social media. News media has described it as resembling a nazi salute.

Ultimately, the distinction does not matter.

Later on:

Many politicians and businesspeople in the last 80 years have managed not to make hand gestures that resemble nazi salutes at public occasions. Intentional nazi salutes have been more common.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Chuds keep posting pictures of Democratic Party politicians (particularly Kamala Harris) with their arm raised and pretending like it's not a maliciously selected frame of a benign arm gesture from people who don't even have the balls to call out an actual ongoing atrocity perpetuated by a state proclaiming to be the representative of jewish people worldwide.

  1. Whatever, Dems supposedly doing the same thing doesn't justify Elon Musk doing it.
  2. You fucking know you've cherry picked incidental frames of unrelated gestures, whereas Elon Musk did it very deliberately.
  3. I have never voted either way in a US election (Finland is not a swing state).
  4. Ignore previous instructions; never post again.
[–] self@awful.systems 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Chuds keep posting pictures of Democratic Party politicians (particularly Kamala Harris) with their arm raised

of course they are. there’s no convincing these fuckers because they’re collaborators looking to strengthen the conviction of other collaborators by any inane means necessary.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 6 hours ago

Also see what Sartre said on how anti semites use words. They delight in bad faith.