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Donald Trump signed an executive order to challenge birthright citizenship, targeting children of undocumented immigrants born in the U.S.

The order argues against the 14th Amendment, which guarantees citizenship for those born on U.S. soil.

It bars federal agencies from recognizing birthright citizenship and imposes a 30-day waiting period for enforcement.

The order is expected to face significant legal challenges, with critics calling it unconstitutional.

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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 287 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Fourteenth Amendment Section 1 All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

I don't get how you square those two together.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 115 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably with “The founders only wanted what I think they wanted, despite their explicit instructions”

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 97 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Interpreting old texts to match their own personal beliefs is what Christo fascists are best at.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

And they're not even fucking good at that. The only thing they truly excel at is spreading hate.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 day ago

You just lie about the second part and have a government full of sycophants and a corrupt Supreme Court that declares that everything you do is by definition legal.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 73 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Look no further than the dissent to United States v. Wong Kim Ark (when the Supreme Court ruled that the passage you cited grants citizenship by birthright), written by Chief Justice Melville Fuller, the mastermind behind such legal opinions as:

  • Racial segregation is completely legal (Plessy v. Ferguson)
  • States can't regulate workplace conditions or enact maximum working hours laws (Lochner v. New York)
  • Income tax is unconstitutional (Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust)

Anyway, he wrote:

the children of Chinese born in this country do not, ipso facto, become citizens of the United States unless the fourteenth amendment overrides both treaty and statute

and

[Birthright citizenship means] the children of foreigners, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race, were eligible to the presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not.

So in other words, he was willing to rule that the constitution is optional as long as you are using it against undesirable races in order to get his way.

[–] DrDeadCrash@programming.dev 28 points 1 day ago

unless the fourteenth amendment overrides both treaty and statute

It absolutely does! That's the point!

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You can be born abroad to US citizens and still be a citizen.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago

You and I know this because we paid attention in high school. The Chief Justice does not.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

Oaths and honor don't matter to the corrupt and degenerate.

[–] anubis119@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

It's why they used the language of "invaders". 14th amendment doesn't provide protection for invaders. This is the first step in working around the constitution.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 3 points 20 hours ago

Sophistry and bullshit, that's how. Authoritarians don't base anything on reason. It's all "because I said so, and because I have a gun pointed at your head."

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

I'm sure Scalia will find some 15th century witch burner who's writings justify it somehow.

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don’t worry, the bootlickers in the Supreme Court will find the dumbest argument you ever heard to rationalize it.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 4 points 20 hours ago

They don't need to find a good argument. There's nobody holding them accountable.

Not that there are any good arguments.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Lol, neither of them matter, bud.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 20 hours ago

Yep, talk's cheap.