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Family demands Mississippi cops be fired for arresting Black boy, 10, who allegedly peed in parking lot
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this post was submitted on 11 Sep 2023
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America needs to grow the fuck up when it comes to penis, vaginas, and nudity.
They act it's murder. It's pathetic that anyone is scared of seeing a penis or vagina.
As long as no one tried to touch you with it, flaunted it with ill intention publicly, or gets fluids on you get over it. Who the fuck cares grow up.
Give em a 50 dollar fine, if that, and be done with it. They make it out like violent rape.
I was at a large outdoor music festival in 2015. On Saturday night thousands of people were lined up to use overflowing port-a-potties. Naturally, I made my way to the perimeter fence to pee. A cop came up behind me, shined his bright flashlight on me and said, "It's not worth an indecent exposure charge, man."
I was alone, in the dark, facing away from the zero people near me, and this pervert approaches me and threatens me with his pervert law. Get a fucking life.
That's what happens when people make the human body and nudity a taboo.
America needs to get on board with nudism.
I can't remember if it is my state or county, but indecent exposure and public urination are two different things. If I remember correctly indecent exposure requires intent to expose yourself.
Around here you can get on the sex offender registry for public pissing
Sweet jeebers.
Like with movies and TV shows.
Mass Murder? AOK for all ages!
A titty or a swear word? Oh no, can't have that without the highest ratings restriction.
A penis of vagina? That's porn!
No, my friend, that's a carnival sideshow!
I'm not complaining or anything, but why is naked bicycle riding specifically protected?
🎤 Get on your bikes and ride!! 🎶
Great story, thanks, and a happy flashback to the Black Cat Cafe (which sadly is no more).
As always in these ridiculous cases, even when the judge gets it right, what's missing is any hint of any cop getting into trouble.
Nudity aside, do you want to live in a place where people can piss on the sidewalk whenever they want? Sounds pretty awful.
That being said, a white 10 year old would have gotten a scolding not an arrest
That's why we have fines and warnings. Not arrests.
I don't disagree. My issue is with framing this as "hurr durr Americans are puritanical". There's more to it than that. I dont have a problem with nudity. I also don't want to walk through puddles of piss.
But you're challenging the idea of giving a 10 year old a fine instead of arresting them. You're supporting the idea of arresting a child who relieved themselves behind a car in a parking lot, intentional or not. You might want to check your pride / ego over defending your countries reputation.
No I'm not. I'm challenging the idea that skittishness about nudity is the issue here rather than public health. You want to walk around with your dick out, fine, feel free. Don't piss where I'm walking.
You mean like how everyone started doing meth and heroin where drugs were legalized? /S
Do you think people are pissing everywhere on the street? We are talking about emergencies, behind a tree, hidden from everyone.
If you want to walk in piss and shit you're welcome to do so on your own property
I call for complete freedom of toilets. No tickets, no scolding, no penalties at all for anyone peeing and pooping in public, unless there's a 24/7 public restroom within, say, 5 minutes walk.
I don't know if you've thought about the public health implications of people shitting in the streets but as a man who doesn't enjoy contracting hepatitis and cholera I disagree.
how can you punish people for fulfilling a basic bodily need if there's no proper place to do it
If their basic bodily need spreads disease you're turning a small problem that affects one person into a large problem that affects many.
how about we give them a place to shit then
I have no problem with that. I just dont think that place should be the street.
I just don't think we should punish people if they had no other option
You act like people would want to regularly relieve themselves in public if they were allowed to. Spoiler alert: they don't. It's usually last resort, in which case I prefer that to people having to pee/shit themselves in fear of a fine or being arrested.
And I prefer not contracting hepatitis from walking through human feces.
Let me guess, you're an anti-masker aren't you?
Well good news then, because you won't. People generally don't want to defecate in public, meaning that even if there's no punishment for it, it won't suddenly start happening left and right. Your chances of encountering human poop won't significantly increase.
Quite the opposite, I'm still wearing masks when shopping or on public transit, even when everyone else in my area seems to have stopped caring.
Where I live, we have 25,000 homeless people and exactly zero 24/7 public restrooms, so many neighborhoods do reek of urine and there's poop in every bush.
If you want people not peeing on the sidewalk and not pooping in the bushes, gotta give them someplace else to pee and poop.
I agree, I could get behind deploying public restrooms. I cannot get behind legalizing public urination/defecation.
It's the same thing. Pretty much nobody poops or pees in public if there's a restroom available, and if there's a restroom available, by all means ticket and fine anyone who's publicly pooping and peeing.
The kid in this story did. He was in the parking lot of a law office, while his mother was inside talking to her lawyer, so the place was clearly open.
Well, were the cops right to arrest him then?
I agree with the mom, they wouldn't have arrested a white kid. But unequal application of a law doesn't mean we should throw out the law it means we should apply it equally.
Well, I guess we'll disagree then. "Arrest all children who pee outdoors" is not in my top 100,000,000 bright ideas for a better America.
Best of luck with bright idea 100,000,001, "turn our streets and sidewalks into rivers of piss".