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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

I wonder why nobody is considering the most obvious solution to all this complication around what is NSFW and what is not: Children shouldn't be on these platforms at all to begin with. They shouldn't be anywhere near social media until age 14. Definitely not free roaming everywhere on the internet.

For us adults, I honestly cannot say whether moderation instigated by a company is better than moderation instigated by the users. The devil is in the details. This place isn't moderated by a company and you'd probably think the moderation here is superior to Meta's.

[–] anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 21 minutes ago

I disagree with this point.

I used the internet extensively as a minor to socialize and find friends and to be exposed to viewpoints different from those of my peers. If I only had my peers to socialize with, things would have been much worse off for me. I found kind and supportive influences as a minor that kept me away from the hate/conservatism/fascism that many of my classmates descended into. I learned about the world and gained skills that made me a more well-rounded person. I even met up in person with thousands of strangers and had a grand time.

I see the gatekeeping of minors from internet spaces and worry about the impact that would have had on me and my development as a young person. If I hadn't been welcomed as a minor online, I would not have been welcomed anywhere.

That said, I stayed the hell away from corporate spyware like facebook and twitter that only serve to reinforce existing problematic systems, expose people to the toxic IRL social environments that they may otherwise be trying to escape, and amplify the kind of hatred and bigotry that I personally was evading.

I miss the old internet where kids were safe. I don't think that the solution is to ban kids; the solution is to ban platforms and profiteering incentive structures that create unsafe environments. The kids are the canaries in a coal mine. If the canary isn't doing well, you don't just ban it and keep digging: you get the hell out and find somewhere else to be.

[–] donuts@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Pretty much all social media has a minimum age of 13 in their ToS. So what exactly are you suggesting? Raising it by 1 year?

[–] Xer0@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

Raise it by 3. Under 16s shouldn't have access to any social media.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

Actually verifying it and punishing the companies if they let underaged people use it. Alcohol stores are also punished when they sell products to children.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 27 minutes ago

This is a terrible idea, and only makes it 10x easier for surveillance capitalism to track, profile, and propagandize the entire population.

This line of reasoning is basically using "won't someone think of the children" fear mongering to hand over the keys to big brother.

[–] donuts@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

I personally think this would help, but there's a lot folks online who scream "free speech" when you start talking about verifying age online. And honestly, I don't know a good solution to balance it