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[–] MasterBuilder@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've read an awful lot of comments yelling at EFF for supporting very bad people. I think you all do not understand the point being made.

It is not the isp's job to police the network. The proper route is to raise the complaint to the proper authorities and let them police the problem. Specifically, So they can do it in a transparent auditable and citizen visible fashion.

What happens when the ISP decides to block a person or organization because they think what they're doing is unacceptable, but they're wrong? How do we police that?

Nobody sees anything because they're blocked before anything can be shown. That is instant hidden censorship that nobody can stop because nobody knows about it.

Even the ACLU went to bat for a Nazi organization on a free speech topic because letting it pass would set a precident that would not be reversed, and thus eventually would be used to silence just causes.

Edit: if that's still too complex to parse, replace the target with the sermons of Dr Martin Luther King Jr.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

Free speech absolutism is civics 101 stuff, anyone that spent 3 minutes thinking about it after that realizes that the Paradox of Tolerance means it's a self defeating naive proposition, and that consequently true free speech can't include hate speech or even anti-democratic speech.