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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Do you suffer from hot sleeping? I do. I sleep best with a big pile of blankets on me. I sleep with a weighted blanket among others. But that combined with a prediliction for hot sleeping, and I have trouble waking up in the night in a sweat.

I got so desperate, I actually almost bought one of those expensive cool water circulation systems. But then I realized a low tech solution. It takes a lot of heat to melt water. The amount of energy required to melt two liters of water is of the same magnitude as the amount of body heat given off by a human over the course of a night.

Specifically, I learned that those old timey rubber water bottles for bed use? They works just as well as cold packs as hot packs. So I got a few of those and tried it. And it's helped immensely at improving my sleep.

I have two cheap Amazon special rubber water bottles with felt covers on them. I keep them in the freezer. Each night I grab the bottles, which freeze solid through the day. I simply sleep with them under the covers, and it immensely improved my sleep. The felt covers on the bottle act as insulators to ameliorate the temperature of the bottles. You can sleep with one against you and it just feels mildly cooling. It doesn't feel like sleeping on a block of ice.

I would say this method is about 90% as effective as one of those expensive bed water cooling systems. I researched those, and they cost $500 and up. Plus they required regular maintenance and had all sorts of problems with leaks and mold. This? This system cost me about $20 and requires no more work than taking something in and out of the freezer.

If you have problems with hot sleeping, try the stupid solution first. Buy some big rubber water bottles and freeze them, or try other cold pack solutions or similar total heat capacity.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

timey rubber water bottles for bed use

So in the UK we just call these "hot water bottles"

Which I'm just now really thinking about as a term and on reflection it's a pretty rubbish name for them

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

It's doubtless an artifact of history. Rubber water bottles like that go way back. Before the days of electric blankets, space heaters, boiler heating, gas furnaces, etc, heating was often provided by wood- or coal-burning stoves. With a rubber bladder like that, you could boil some water on the stove and take it to bed with you. If all you have is a fire to keep you warm, it's hard to use that fire to directly heat your bed. For someone sleeping in a cold bedroom in an old drafty house, a hot water bottle and a pile of blankets was how you often got through the cold winter nights. And stoneware versions of the same concept go back at least half a millennium.

But ice available in the home? Some homes in the late 19th century and earlier sometimes had ice boxes - literally just insulated boxes that you could put ice in to keep food cold. The ice had to be cut off of frozen lakes in the winter and stored in big insulated ice houses for the rest of the year. But such ice would be too expensive and precious to fill a water bottle with. Maybe someone really wealthy could afford to do that. Maybe you could do it if someone was severely ill and needed a fever cooled. But pre-WW2, even if you had access to ice, it was too precious for most people to be able to justify using it just as a sleep aid.

To make something like this practical, you really need a modern freezer. Even in the days of ice boxes, you wouldn't be able to pull something like this off unless you were willing to use up two liters of expensive bought ice every night. That's just not something most people could afford.

The first domestic freezers as we know them now didn't appear until the 1940s. And it took decades for them to become ubiquitous in the homes of people in wealthy countries. It's only in the last 50 years or so that you could just assume a random person in a developed country has access to a freezer. And there are certainly still people who don't have such access.

So yeah, we've had hot water bottles for many centuries, but the concept of a cold bottle or cold pack is only something that's been feasible for less than a single human lifetime. We were doubtlessly calling these things "hot water bottles" generations before the freezer was invented. It turns out they can also be used as ice packs, but the name was already established.

[–] picnicolas@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank you. Just ordered one and I’m very excited to try this. I’ve been researching the cooling loops but they seem impractical and too expensive..

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Feel free to reply to this after you give it a try. It worked for me, but I'm curious if it works for anyone else.

[–] bungle_in_the_jungle@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Doesn't this leave you with wet patches in your bed though?

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think the bottles are sealed.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Water condensates on cool things and the body loses water vapor through pores.
I think the covers on the bottles should mostly prevent that though.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The covers do mostly prevent it. They sometimes do get a little bit of condensation, but it's not significant. The cover mostly takes care of it. You can get a little condensation near the sealed end of the bottle. It's less than the amount of moisture you would generate via sweating.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

It doesn't leave wet patches. If you used the bottle without the cover, it would. But the cover makes it so that heat energy only slowly leaches into it. In other words, the surface of the covered bottle is probably around 60F/16C. And the surface is fluffy, not smooth.