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[–] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Except wind and solar don't have anywhere near the density we need. Nuclear plants are about 1kW/m^2. Wind is 2-3W/m^2, solar is 100W/m^2. Siting wind and solar projects can be just as damaging.

[–] iterable@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I didn't even mention tidal or geothermal. But how are any of those just as damaging? Nuclear waste is still a issue and again if it were attacked or destroyed would cause a massive ecological issue. Again last I checked destroying a wind, solar, tidal, or geothermal generator would not release radiation. Also the time to build one of those compared to a nuclear plant is a lot less last I checked.

[–] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tidal is not a proven technology. The ocean environment is incredibly harsh on equipment. High-temp geothermal power generation is extremely site-specific, though ground-loop technology for heating and cooling is a proven technology that is woefully underutilized (though there are big challenges there as well, since ground loops take up space and done incorrectly overheat the ground temp/water table, etc.).

[–] iterable@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

How would you define tidal as proven? Also correct there is no one solution for all areas. Unless you built a massive solar panel array around the planet I guess.

[–] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Producing wafers for solar panels is indeed one of the most ecologically damaging activities we can engage in. Have you ever been to a semiconductor fab?

[–] iterable@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Solar does not mean just solar panels. There are methods of using solar without them. Also what about wind, geothermal, or tidal?

[–] rbhfd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's a lot easier and cheaper to build a solar plant of ten times the seize compared to one nuclear plant though.

How did you get those numbers though? A standard on-shore wind turbine has a maximum power output of 2MW. Let's say on average, it's half, so 1 million Watt. You're counting 500k m² per turbine?

What kind of area did you use for the nuclear plant?

Also, solar has the added benefit that it can be installed on basically wasted space (e.g., people's roof) unlike the others.