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How is considering skin colour when hiring not a racist practice?
Are we really going to rehash the debate people have had for decades whenever the subject comes up where we pretend people aren’t considering white people’s skin color when they’re interviewed? You think they just all happen to get hired purely on merit? You think women aren’t treated differently than men too and men are just naturally attuned to executive roles?
We can’t get people to stop doing these things, so we educate folks about these issues in the hopes that they can make up for internal biases. DEI is not affirmative action, despite your attempts to equate them. It’s education. It’s about creating a more equitable workforce through making them more aware of these biases and blockers to marginalized groups’ advancement. It isn’t a hiring quota.
Yes
So is this bait or are you just actually that bigoted? Let’s stop the bullshit and be clear lol
Anyway to reiterate: DEI =/= Affirmative Action or hiring quotas. I’m glad you can see that now.
So this has nothing to do with the race/gender/minority checkboxes on job applications that automatically get you an interview? That's the sort of shit I disagree with.
Yes I really think men are more naturally inclined to do executive type roles. Men and women aren't the same.
And yes I think that people are hired on their ability to do the job first and foremost. The thing is that white people are more advantaged in society when it comes to acquiring said skills to do said jobs but that's an entirely different problem.
No that’s not DEI. You have no clue what it is yet you so vehemently oppose it. Again, it is not about applications and interviews. It is not a hiring quota. It is not affirmative action. It’s educating people on discrimination. It is not any sort of hiring mandate. It’s just learning, something conservatives find too vile to participate in these days because they might accidentally learn they have a wrong opinion or maybe the world doesn’t work how they think it does.
Your views on sex and gender are incredibly problematic. Having a dick doesn’t inherently make you a better leader. Having white skin does not either. This is an opinion rooted in bigotry. You are being racist/sexist. And that’s ok so long as you learn and grow and choose to become better than that. Many of us were bigots at one point - hell we all still are to some degree, it’s hard to truly be 100% not bigoted. Honestly it’s impossible! But it’s about growth. It’s about doing what we can to limit our contribution to the problem.
I think that white people have better opportunities to get educated etc. Not that they are inherently better. Being born into a poor family is obviously going to present you with less opportunities. That's a whole different problem unrelated to hiring practices though.
Yeah men do make better leaders as we have seen all throughout human history. Queens were far more likely to wage war than kings, one example. Men and women are more different than they are the same. Not superior/inferior; just different.
just a reminder that this all started as your hatred for DEI which you did not understand. Do you still oppose it?
I guess I am opposed to Affirmative Action?
I’m just gonna be blunt, I don’t think you understand the topic of workplace discrimination. If you can’t even parse DEI and demographically-driven hiring quotas it’s hard to take your broader opinions on discrimination in the workplace seriously. That’s like arguing about computers and thinking a hard drive and ram serve the same function because they both involve “memory.” You fundamentally misunderstand these systems.
Maybe true. I'll do more research going forward.
Full disagree with you that I'm bigoted though. You mentioned women in executive positions. Women aren't in executive positions because they don't want to be, not the other way around.
My friend you need to do a LOT of research. You’re repeating ancient Fox News myths.
I think that jobs held by women should be paid as much as jobs held by men though.
There are no women fixing power lines despite nothing stopping them from doing so. Why? I can name a lot of example jobs like this. Executive roles are one of them.
I'm not American so I'm unfamiliar with fox news talking points.
This is exactly how society talked about women going to college. Then in the 90’s-2010’s we prioritized getting rid of systemic barriers and addressing sexism. Now women actually outnumber men in college. Again, people talked the exact same way about women going to college for over half a century. Were they right? Or did it “sound” right so no one challenged it?
OK, women in college. I like this topic. I think it's wrong to encourage all women to go to college considering once they graduate and start a career the clock is ticking down for having kids. And I think this is the root cause of low birth rates in all egalitarian societies.
I think society should encourage women to prioritize being mothers first and to persue career second.
My experience isn't everyone's but my mom raised me till I was like 15 and then she went to college and started her career. I think this is optimal. My childhood was incredible. And because my mom had kids early, I now get to enjoy spending many more years with her than if she had done the college first thing.
Not opposed to feminism but very opposed to current wave feminism.
Also want to say I don't think most men belong in college either. But it makes more sense for them to go to college as soon as possible as they are unable to have children. Right?
Why should kids be a factor at all unless a woman chooses to go that route? They don’t exist to be breeders. That’s their own business. They can make that decision for themselves, not have access (or lack thereof) to education determine it for them.
You oppose current feminism because it doesn’t prioritizing breeding?
Who is going to have kids then? Not that I personally care that the human race is dying out but this is why.
Sorry to edit again but there is absolutely nothing wrong with encouraging motherhood. And you'll notice that women who prioritize kids are looked at as failures in egalitarian societies.
The way you use the word breeding proves my point so perfectly. Women are not animals bro.
My partner and I both have a BA and an advanced degree. We have multiple kids. We have a beautiful life. This was made possible because of our degrees and fields we went in to that made taking care of our kids possible. Lack of education wouldn’t have created our life.
If you want people to have kids, we need PAID parental leave of no less than 3mo for every working person and universal tax-funded childcare.
I don’t blame women for not having kids. Your position shifts the onus on them. They need our support. And some people don’t want to be full time parents! Ask all the men you hold in high esteem if they’ll fill that role.
Prior to modern day feminism, only one parent needed a high paying job to have a family. It's a capitalist idea intended to double the workforce and lower the value of labour.
And no, men aren't natural caregivers. Look at what careers men tend to choose.
how the hell is that feminists’ faults lmao what a terrible take dude. Forced birth and cutting off access to education is not going to create large happy families. It creates death and ignorance and an indentured workforce.
I'm not against abortion or education. I work in higher education. I just think we are steering women the wrong way. Men too.
Well right now what we have is shrinking access to abortion and you saying college should be accessible for men. It’s horrifying to me that you work in higher ed.
I'm not an idiot but thanks for your opinion. I never insulted you and you can't help yourself so I'm not interested in spending more time with you on this.
Also I'm not American. Good luck with your shitty country bro. My country still values women and thankfully people here don't call women breeders.
I didn’t call you an idiot…?
You’re the one talking about women’s utility as child bearers…?
Not sure what just happened but this is not the “gotcha” you think it is. Have a good one dude. Learn what DEI is.
Horrifying I work in education? Fuck off bro
Yes. Your opinions on gender and race are problematic doubly so as an educator, that’s how I feel. I did not call you an idiot. I never attacked your intelligence.
Fuck off too I guess? I thought you were done with this conversation.
I don’t really know how this jives with what you just wrote.
Edit; you added a new section that honesty is just you trying to have your cake and eat it too
Top 20 jobs held by men and women are the same list today as it was 100 years ago prior to feminism. Men tend to do certain jobs and women tend to do other jobs. This has rang true all throughout human history. It's nothing to do with prejudice against women.