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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20091173

I've been waiting until after Christmas day to make this post, but some of our communities recently have had a lot of noise and upset over someone that uses neopronouns that most people are unfamiliar with.

So I want to make this clear. A persons pronouns are to be respected. This is true when the user is using neopronouns that you're unfamiliar with. It's true even if you think someone is trolling. Pronouns are not rewards for good behaviour. They aren't only to be respected when you like the person you're interacting with, or if their pronouns "make sense" to you. Trolls, spammers, twitter users, it doesn't matter who they are, your options are to respect their pronouns, or to not engage with them.

I really want to re-iterate the importance of this. Gender diverse folk are undermined, invalidated and questioned at every step of our lives. As a community, we need to be working to undo that, not creating more of it, and that means there is no space for treating pronouns (including neopronouns) as a reward for good behaviour.

This isn't a free reign for trolls and spammers. The rules still apply. Trolling, spamming, etc will continue to be dealt with, but it's not an excuse to act as if respecting someones pronouns is optional.

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[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Not personally affected, but I saw someone instantly permabanned with reason "misgendering" for a comment talking about "drag"'s behavior but using "they".

Not warned. Not comment deleted with "please use pronoun at all times". Just bam.

If the general stance is that reaction can be "up to the admin", that's a bit... minefield-y.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

If the general stance is that reaction can be “up to the admin”, that’s a bit… minefield-y.

I understand that this might seem problematic. We (the mods of 196) are only partially in control of what is removed and who is banned, due it being hosted on blahaj.zone.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

All good, thanks for explaining. :)

[–] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 0 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Lemmy.world admins are sociopaths mad with their own power, so that's an awesome policy. This is why I block the whole shitty instance.

[–] shani66@ani.social 1 points 4 hours ago

While true, there are other instances out there.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I'd have to see the comment and context to pass judgement, but I can see how a mod might see using "they" to refer to someone who doesn't use "they" in a context about how that person doesn't use "they" as intentional misgendering instead of accidental misgendering.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Thanks. It was surprising to see it interpreted that way, especially given the context (talking about, not to, an obvious troll), but not a difficult rule to adhere to once it's clear.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

but I saw someone instantly permabanned with reason "misgendering" for a comment talking about "drag"'s behavior but using "they".

No you didn't

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Why are you saying that?

Just shitting on a discussion like that adds nothing.

Or if you do know the comment in question I was referring to and I missed some context that wasn't visible in the modlog, please let me know.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 hours ago

I'm saying that, because I'm the instance admin, and I don't permanently instance ban people for a singular comment using "they" in regards to someone who is explicitly ok with they...

I have no idea which comment you were referring to, but I do know that your representation of what you saw is not what actually happened...