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EVs are coming, no matter how expensive/wasteful, you'd always have a car option.
Are there EV longhaul trucks that are at cost and performance parity with ICE longhaul trucks on the horizon?
I don't think so.
That means that logistics costs for basically everything gets significantly more expensive when ICE fuel costs go up.
We could lessen this problem by building out more freight rail capacity, and a whole lot more minor rail lines so that trucks don't routinely drive halfway across the continent and are used less often...
...but we are not.
So, that means that when gas/diesel prices go up, everything gets more expensive... including ICE and EV personal vehicles.
Currently, generally, EVs (and Hybrids) are already 20% to 30% more expensive than their ICE counterparts, even after subsidies/rebates, and are only less expensive than the ICE counterpart in a long run of 10+ years due to lower ongoing fuel costs...
But if gas/diesel prices significantly rise and never go back down...
All vehicles become more expensive.
If ICE vehicle ongoing fuel costs are now so high that an average person can't afford them...
The only other choice is EVs ... but those now have a stupendous sticker price.
So you end up with even less people being able to afford any vehicle whatsoever, but a society that is physically designed to... require one.
So then you end up with a society of an upper class of EV owners, and everyone else who used to be able to afford a midrange ICE car now having to use ICE/EV motorcycles or EBikes... for daily commutes, in all weather.
No more AC or Heating for your completely environmentally exposed 30 minute to 2hr commute to work through a heatwave or heavy snow or rain.
They'd have to rent an EV vehicle to do 2 weeks worth of grocery shopping or move any kind of substantial cargo like a bed, or move more than 2 people a considerable distance, start arranging ride shares to and from work in some kind of comfort.
Oh, and a ton of Americans are functionally too obese/unhealthy/injured to be able to actually use a motorcycle or EBike. So just count them out of the workforce if they can't find ride shares I guess.
git solves this.
i love me some doom pr0n now and again, but it sounds alot like some people are due for some exercise and they'll be just fine. Things might turn out for the better
As they do, they're quickly turning into indicators of privilege. If/when the petro dollar crashes I totally don't expect billy bob that drives his eight cylinder diesel to hold any resentment towards EV drivers when he's stuck paying for something that he can't afford gas for. But hey what do I know I prefer old school bicycles.
If I had more time under my belt I'd probably buy one. The 100k+ pricetag is just too much right now
$100k+ in what currency? The base model of the EV I drive is under $45k
U$. The Rivian I want is about $120k
You canβt make a generalizing statement about how EVs are expensive and then say you were talking about one of most expensive models you can buyβ¦