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Luigi Mangione shouts a message to the American people on his way to court:

“This is completely unjust and an insult to the intelligence of the American people and their lived experience.”

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[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 281 points 1 week ago (7 children)

They don't want him in front of a jury.

Regardless if it's him or not. They cannot afford him to get acquitted.

But they can't martyr him. That will be a death sentence to the US.

This isn't going to end well for anyone. This guy has shown a much darker picture of the US to us that we all know too well.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 146 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Imho, as painful as it is, avoiding an economic civil war at this point does more harm than good over time. It kicks the can down the road until their side exclusively can use humanoid robots to fight their battles for them, and that just means get in line and die until collapse.

The alternative is even darker, our non-wealthy children being judged by AI as to whether the potential profit/loss of healing them is greater or less than their remaining projected exploitation value to the owners.

And that's just in Healthcare. Our entire economy has become this sociopathic.

This is silent slaughter. No one should confuse quiet with peace. We haven't had peace for a long time.

They don't care if only the top 5% is free on the backs of the 95%, they don't see the bottom 95% as human at all. I don't think society should continue under that bargain. It isn't worth it. No one is free until everyone is.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 105 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is silent slaughter. No one should confuse quiet with peace. We haven’t had peace for a long time.

"True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of justice." -- MLK Jr.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 84 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Reminder that MLK was silenced because he was getting further into advocating economic equity, a bridge too far.

I think the FBI killed him. It's an objective matter of historical record they tried to blackmail him into committing suicide.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93King_letter

His family proved in court that the government killed him, but every judge in criminal courts refused to let the case go to trial, so it was only a civil court case. But the judge was convinced by the evidence and found the government guilty and dues were awarded.

[–] transientpunk@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago

This is the same reason the Black Panthers messages have faded into obscurity.

[–] Maiq@lemy.lol 18 points 1 week ago

General strike, crash the fake economy built on systemic fraud.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

God damn that was a little too much to read just before bed.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

That's enough internet for one day, soldier.

Sweet dreams.

[–] MonkeyBusiness@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Our entire economy has become this sociopathic.

I don't think that it has recently become sociopathic. It was certainly much worse in the past with the genocide of the Americas and slavery of Africans. I would argue that the ethics of the economy have improved, but the general public has become increasingly aware of how unjust it is.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Our economy was most fair when Unions had some power. From the 50s to the 70s, there was a corrupt equilibrium when Conservatives were bribed by business and liberals were bribed by unions, until they were convinced to take the larger corporate bribe checks and joined the owner movement to undermine unions. Today's neoliberals. That is when, at least on economic policy, we effectively lost our vote. Then we lost our protest with designated protest zones out of the eyelines and profit operations of those being protested, which is effectively masturbation.

I think it's inevitable when you don't inflict close to 100% enforced taxation above ludicrous levels of wealth accumulation. Because wealth at a certain level beyond material desires becomes power. Society warping levels of power, power to warp public opinion through media and captured education, power to neuter your own regulators through bribed politicians passing legislation written by the owners themselves(see ALEC), and no one should have such unelected power.

No one.

Part of the reason we know it's gotten this bad, closer to a return to the 1920s with child labor on the rise, is because there were some less unfair decades, and it's no surprise those decades came in the wake of the owner class created great depression.

Now people watch wealthy people like the Kardashians as role models, when they should spit onto the street in disgust when such people walk by. Greed hurts people. Greed is a blight, a personal failing we've been propagandized to nurture.

If you can't be happy only making enough for 2 big houses and 1 regular yacht and to indulge your hobbies for the century give or take you'll be alive, you're broken inside, and need mental healthcare, not enablers for your God complex.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

. I would argue that the ethics of the economy have improved,

The Reagan era was a glorification of greed. Before then, CEOs were expected to care about all the stakeholders of a company. Not just stockholders but also customers and employees and the general community. A large amount of enshitification resulted from the glorification of greed era. For example, tuition at public universities went from very reasonable to absurdly expensive. Health care deductibles went from $250 to $6000. Anti-trust law stopped being enforced etc.

[–] save_the_humans@leminal.space 1 points 1 week ago

There's nothing inherently wrong with some level of selfish individuality but coupled with a capitalist organizations goal of ever increasing profit at the direct expense and exploitation of others and the environment, that's practically textbook sociopathy.

[–] D1G17AL@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Remember remember the 4th of December.

[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, I have a sneaking suspicion that hes going to commit suicide via 2 gunshots to the back of the head, with every security camera in the facility malfunctioning during it and that every other inmate in the vicinity was coincidentally unconscious.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 13 points 1 week ago

The Boeing special?

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You left off, got the bars off his 4th story cell and fell to his death. Or I guess it could be 12th story with the new prison they wanna build in NY China Town.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

He'll get a jury trial after about 2 years of waiting, locked in a cage

[–] solomon42069@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

My dream scenario is a mob marches on the capital cities ready to kill the 1% and Trump pardons Luigi and throws the rest of the wealthy to the mob to save his own ass. I believe Trump would do just about anything to save himself.

Edit: Updated my silly hypothetical to better explain the idea. I obviously don't think it's realistic, but it would be amusing. Esp if it failed to sate the publics rage!

[–] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That won't line his pockets, so no, he won't be doing that.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Where does the wealth go if his competitors are dead? Dude owns casions and hotels. If he offs the competition, that makes him a lot of $

[–] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He no longer owns any casinos. Those went bust. Most hotels aren't even his, he just leased his name out. Killing a CEO doesn't put the competing company out of business, either.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It does if you're sending them a message they can't ignore

[–] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

No. It doesn't. They already replaced the dead one. You think there aren't more greedy shits who will roll those dice? Or shareholders who will remain unaffected by the killings?

[–] hark@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Trump can already pardon himself. Even if he couldn't, making enemies of the rich wouldn't help himself, in fact it'd just do the opposite. The ultrawealthy have class solidarity, so Trump was never in actual trouble. They only face consequences if not doing so would majorly harm the collective image of the rich (e.g. this is why Jeffrey Epstein had to die).

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Apparently prosecutor in NY has 6m

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)
[–] sour@feddit.org 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's the parent company of 3m, they make quantum-cluster-adhesives.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago
[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] nomous@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Similar to up dog but exactly like henway.

[–] Koyaanisqatsi@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah idk, maybe something like a 6ft rope? Something related to a hangman's rope for execution?

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

it's gotta be 6 meters of law then

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] solomon42069@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Difference is that Epstein got whacked and his /clients/ let it happen.

Luigi has real fans, who see what he did as a reflection of their own discontent.

If something happens to him in jail, I believe that would still count as the aforementioned martyrdom.

Yup. Epstein getting killed was inevitable, but it’s not like he had many fans; child molesters don’t tend to win popularity contests (unless it’s running for the highest seat in the country…) His death had people upset, but only because it meant he wouldn’t be able to testify against all the billionaires. He was only working against the billionaires because the prosecutors were forcing him to do so.

But Luigi is a symbol of someone actively working against the billionaires, and killing him will turn him into a martyr.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Much darker? Shit. Things seeming pretty dark in US already.

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Dark? This is the brightest it's been since before 9/11.

[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Never challenge worse.

the thing is, I think they can afford for him to be acquitted on the murder charges. the way the evidence was presented, he had a ghost gun and an illegal suppressor as well. whether they were planted or not is still up for debate, but that's a slam dunk case that they can just give the maximum sentence for and move on. I don't think the murder charges actually matter. I imagine if they can't get him on murder we'll quickly find out he was manufacturing drugs or some of bs charge they can give hime another 20 year sentence for and if the judge rules they can't be served concurrently then bam, still a life sentence

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

They'll drag him and dope him to the gills.