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Israeli settlers in the West Bank, emboldened by Trump’s return and a far-right Israeli government, are pushing for formal sovereignty over the territory.

Settlement activity has surged to record levels under Prime Minister Netanyahu, with nearly 6,000 acres designated as state land in 2024 and dozens of new outposts established.

While settlers see this as fulfilling Biblical claims, Palestinians view it as erasing hopes for a future state.

Critics warn annexation could jeopardize regional stability and U.S.-brokered normalization efforts, such as those with Saudi Arabia.

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[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 64 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Good thing we didn't vote for those democratic genocidists

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“I don’t want basic Genocide, I want to evolve to stage 2 Genocidonite”

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Instead of genocide, we now have genocide 2: Electric Boogaloo

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago

"think global! genocide local"

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The "a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide" people were literally saying before the election that Palestinian genocide cannot get worse because genocide is genocide.

So I guess this isn't worse?

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

i don't understand that crowd at all. how do you look at kamala's promise to stay the course, and donald trumps promise to send even more aid, and not understand it is possible to send more. there is not a ceiling to more. our military industrial complexeis very capable of delivering more.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't either, but more than one person told me that. I even heard it after she lost.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 month ago

absolutely. i even ran into someone who thought that in meatspace and it's like… how do you fall for this obvious bullshit so easy?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

and donald trumps promise to send even more aid

"Aid"? Why frame it as Trump promising "aid" like it's a positive? To be clear, the "aid" you're referring to here, is weapons and munitions being used to murder civilians.

Really weird way to frame it.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago

i don't think it's positive. i think it's horrible. we're assisting in mass torture. but i don't have a better synonym to insert there. i'm open to a better word because words matter

[–] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is from June 2020.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he is planning to effectively annex parts of the occupied West Bank in what would be a major - and highly controversial - act.

This is from July 2023.

Israel Is Officially Annexing the West Bank

A quiet bureaucratic maneuver by Netanyahu’s government has begun transferring control over the occupied territory from military to civilian leadership—violating international law.

Here's an entire wiki page about all they've been doing in the West Bank since 1967.

This is nothing new, it's just a next step that would have been taken regardless.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Then I guess it would have been a better idea to vote for Harris to avoid all the stuff that will be new. You know, like the new concentration camps in the U.S.

[–] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ok? I don't disagree, but that's not what this conversation is about. We are talking about Palestinian genocide and specifically the occupation of the West Bank. And either way, I haven't heard anyone on Lemmy say Trump isn't worse for the US.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

And either way, I haven't heard anyone on Lemmy say Trump isn't worse for the US.

Did you join the site on November 6? It was unavoidable for months, to the point where it was starting to ruin the site imo.

Of course most of them mysteriously disappeared the day after the election, leaving behind a handful of useful idiots that bought the lie, and to this day, are battling the cognitive dissonance they feel every time they see an article like this.

There was literally a "Muslims for Trump" movement near the end there, and their leader has immediately and publicly regretted her decision after seeing Trump's cabinet nominations.

[–] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've heard people say they were both bad, and they were both most appealing to the millionaire/billionaire class - and I would agree - but I really haven't seen any significant number of people that think they were both equally bad. Maybe one now and then, but certainly not enough that it has stuck in memory.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Then you haven't talked to too many people here. And no, this conversation was about those people since I was talking about those people and you replied to me. If you didn't want to talk about what I was talking about, you shouldn't have replied to me.

[–] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The topic is about the genocide happening in Palestine. You said:

The “a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide” people were literally saying before the election that Palestinian genocide cannot get worse because genocide is genocide.

So I guess this isn’t worse?

Also about Palestine.

I simply pointed out to you that this is nothing new and was happening under the Dems, and has been happening for decades, and then you decided to bring up "concentration camps in the U.S.".

The conversation was not about that.

Why are you shifting goal posts so much and being so antagonizing? Are you just embarrassed that you fell for propaganda and don't want to admit it? Or are you consciously trying to help spread propaganda and make people forget the Dems supported Genocide?

Either way you are certainly not helping the image that internet forum mods are insufferable people. I'm moving on from this conversation.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Are you just embarrassed that you fell for propaganda and don't want to admit it?

Holy shit... I just can't.

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Democrats iftas have been paving the way for those concentration camps, but that's a deflection from the conversation. Harris and Biden was shit for Palestine and didn't deserve another chance to continue the path they were headed. Liberals refusing to hold their people accountable allowed this to happen.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You got your wish and it will be Trump instead of Harris. Weird that you don't seem happy about it.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

a mod encouraging slapfighting..?

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Trump wasnt my wish. Getting rid of Republicans and Democrats is my wish.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's a two party system. It was going to be either Harris or Trump. That's just a hard fact. You didn't want Harris. There was only one other outcome. So you got your wish.

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And voters keep it a two-party system. And it'll never get better if people don't start holding their politicians accountable, which means that if they don't work for the benefit of the worldwide public they don't get reelected.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes they do. And because of that, the choices were Harris or Trump. There was no imaginary third option in 2024.

Again, you didn't want Harris, so you got your wish.

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You are struggling so hard to understand it's not a specific person I didn't want, it's an ideology I don't want.

But if you wanted a replacement for right wing authoritarianism posing as progressive she would have been the perfect person for you.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Specific people become president, not ideologies. You don't vote for ideologies, you vote for people.

But if you wanted a replacement for right wing authoritarianism posing as progressive she would have been the perfect person for you.

Like I said, you got what you wanted and you're complaining about it.

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You don't vote for ideologies

The VBNMW crowd says different

I'm not complaining, the job is only half done

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Okay, I'm not part of whatever crowd you're talking about so I'm not sure why you're telling me that.

The reality in the world where we live is that there were only two people who had a chance of being president in January- Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.

You clearly didn't want Harris. She lost. You got what you wanted.

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Democrats and Republicans in general vote for whoever is on their ticket, regardless of their past, Harris and Trump are prime examples. So yes, people mostly vote on ideology, not

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Yet again-

The reality in the world where we live is that there were only two people who had a chance of being president in January- Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.

You clearly didn’t want Harris. She lost. You got what you wanted.

[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The real problem is that our own unconscious "normalizes" whatever is established,

including gaslighting.

WHEN gaslighting becomes the frame of reference ..

.. THEN ideological-rabies has the authority to rule the world.

THEREFORE denormalizing gaslighting is a survival-of-any-civil-rights requirement, that modern-world's "journalism" abandoned.

So, if the "journalism" corporations abandoned denormalizing gaslighting, who's left?

https://www.bellingcat.com/ , and .. whom?

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

Okay, but is this worse or not? Because it sure sounds worse to me.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago

I don't get why they're still going at it over this. This lefty infighting is exactly why fascists that hate each other somehow manage to gain ground.

There's nothing wrong with using what little power one had in voting blue. It doesn't mean they're "pro-genocide". We're elbow-deep in a shitty system where we had two awful friggin choices, and the system is designed so that objection is simply removing your voice entirely.

I can understand that rationale on a moral level, to want to abstain from this nonsense entirely. I get it. But also there's no way we could've convinced the majority of a brainwashed country to say "none of these." (That's not even an option on many ballots btw). It'd be awesome! But not realistic.

But for the people actively bashing those who voted blue in last-ditch desperation, seriously can you not understand it? Believe me, we know the Dems bring nothing to the table besides "Not being those guys." I doubt there were so many "Kamala fans" compared to how many were "Not this Cheeto-Toddler shit again" fans.

It's not about "enabling genocide" or not, to those folks. We figured that a blue win would mean a government that could still be swayed by the people to act against violence, even if the chance was slim!

This compared to a tyrannical regime that will simply iron-fist any dissent to their single-minded aims, and actively make the world worse every day.

We had a razor-thin chance to give ourselves just a little more time to change things.

But here we are:

  • It was a struggle to motivate people to vote at all.
  • Apathetic squabbling over moral nuance didn't stand a chance against zealoutous fanaticism.
  • What now? Can we finally demolish the Democratic party for failing us while replacing it with those who would speak for us?

It's time we learn to get along and focus on what is and claw for every inch of ground if we're going to fix anything. Because they aren't going to give us any breathing room while we keep dunking on each other for not being "pure enough for the cause."