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No one is blaming minorities for the rise of Trump, they're pointing out that since Trump expanded his margins across all demographics, Kamala Harris' failure can't be easily explained away by racism or misogyny, and there must be a deeper frustration among many of the groups that make up the Democrats' coalition like black and Latino Americans. Also, I rarely hear Democrats make this point; they seem to mainly blame wokeness.
Edit: OK, when I say "Democrats," I mean actual Democrats — people who are in leadership positions in the party. I am not talking about unhinged liberals that are reveling in Trump's anti-Gaza cabinet picks because they blame Muslims for their loss. Actual Democratic party members are much quieter about the collapse of the demographics that make up the Obama Coalition.
Then you must not spend much time here. I've seen so many variants of "BuT GaZa" on Trump related news posts it's gotten seriously fucking annoying.
When say Democrats, I mean party members — people who actually matter, not terminally online liberals. The actual party doesn't want to acknowledge that the Obama Coalition is falling apart.
Oh I see. That makes sense.
Democrats are absolutely blaming minorities, have you just been blind?
Please see the edit, or the 3 other comments that said the exact same thing.
Yeah your edit is still wrong, there are current Democratic leaders trying to scapegoat minorities for the loss.
Source?
I think you need to read the news more, then. We've seen so many articles focusing on the Hispanic vote, for example. Which is a fine thing to write about, but we should always keep in mind the horrendous numbers of openly racist white folk.
And if you haven't seen Democrats trying to blame people, where were you last month? How many posts did we see blaming third party voters? How many posts did we see accusing everyone complaining about genocide as Russian plants? Democrats and Democrat supporters were desperately looking to deflect attention from themselves, both then and now.
Thanks, I read the news plenty. I've seen pundits spend lots of time examining the Latino departure from the party. I've seen liberals blame everyone to their left. I've seen Democrats pivot towards blaming wokeness (specifically, the centrist Democratic delegates at the DNC), except for Nancy Pelosi, who directly blames Biden. They seem desperate not to acknowledge minority groups voting for Trump, since it would mean acknowledging the unraveling of the Obama Coalition.
And what is "wokeness." "Wokeness" means to them the existence of queer people, women, and POC.
Also, I envy you for not seeing democrats blame minorities for the rise of Trump, I wish I could be so happily nieve.
Wokeness to them means, "progressive policy positions we believe will be a net loss with the electorate." This year, that will almost certainly mean abandoning trans people, since the bigoted, "she's for they/them," campaign Trump ran against Harris was very effective. It's similar to how the party was happy to capitalize off the energy of the 2020 BML protests, but once the phrase, "Defund the Police," started test poorly with the electorate, they began distancing themselves from the movement.
I haven't heard any Democrats blame minorities. I mean, sure, I've seen terminally online people say that Muslims and Latinos deserve what's about to happen, but the actual Democrats don't seem to want to even acknowledge the loss. They pretty much only have identity politics left for a platform; they've adopted conservative positions on fiscal policy, foreign policy, and border policy; all they can really do to differentiate themselves from Republicans is to not be openly hostile to minority groups. The fact that they are now losing these groups seems like something few of them want to acknowledge.
Only thing is, the Trump anti-trans ads weren't effective. Yet that hasn't stopped some establishment Democrats from blaming the loss on that issue and 'wokeness'. From the polling, the best rhetoric to have is to be pro-trans but not have it as a forefront issue. Advocating for universal programs like access to healthcare be a forefront issue and simply extending that right to trans people when needed is the most beneficial.
Hey, I'm right there with you, but based on this piece from Politico, it sounds like a lot of Democrats want to go right on social issues. The unnamed delegate from Florida even references the ad, and all but says, "we need to stop supporting trans stuff." The Democrats don't want to go back to being an economically left party, so some of them are trying to see if dialing back the, "wokeness," will help, and if they get their way, it looks like trans issues will be first of the chopping block.
Yeah that's what I was referencing. The Trump anti-trans ads weren't effective on the American public, if anything the opposite; but were effective on getting the Democratic Party to move to the right on social issues, in opposition to public sentiment. Only effective because the Democratic Party refuses to recognize the real reasons for their major loss in public support. If they continue to go right on social issues, I only see them losing even more support
Well, glad to know it wasn't effective. The pundit class was talking about how damaging it was, but I shouldn't have assumed they were basing that on facts.