Liberalism has become unpopular after repeatedly failing to hold back the right, while letting our problems only get worse. There are parts of liberalism we should carry on, but we should still leave it behind. MLs aren't the answer, as they limit themselves by clinging to the identity more than the praxis. They're both flawed in how they believe their own bullshit, giving evil a pass while believing things will get better.

That said, liberals deserve all the shit they're getting, as their apologetics for parasites cannot be tolerated. Let the wealthy flock to the right. They'll soon realize that they gave up more power than they thought by endorsing fascism. They needed liberalism more than we do. If we survive fascism burning itself out, we'll need to fight those fuckers to let us rebuild a functioning society.

Tldr: liberalism helped the right. We need to let go.

[–] Zymii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

The only thing I'd temper this with is that MLs are literally not a problem beyond terminally online spaces, particularly the sectarians you mention.

Like yeah they can suck but I'm much more afraid of Proud Boys and the liberals that enable them.

Ultimately I agree with you 100 percent it's just an exhausting thing to always have to be like "yeah sure fuck tankies I guess" when discussing matters of actual life and death.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I'm just worried about how they hold back the left to terminally online spaces. We need to get out there more, not waste time cosplaying dead empires! Do that for a larp, but not as your identity.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Liberals are not an economic ideal

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Economic ideals and political philosophies are a circular ven-diagram. The economy is inherently political, as politics are fundamentally about who gets what, when. The division between economic and social issues is a dangerous myth. Civil rights are economic issues, and stock markets are political.

Liberalism is the philosophy that incorrectly decouples these two opposing views in your mind. Civil liberties and private ownership; human rights and capitalism. The two will ultimately come into conflict, and one must be sacrificed to maintain the other. Capitalism requires the liberal state, as it becomes feudalism without it. The rules based system of ownership is fundamental to capitalism's existence.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 minute ago

Most lefties on here are complaining about laissez-fair liberals(economic, let the free market do its thing. Neoliberals), while most people who identify themselves as liberals are simply pro civil rights and freedoms(the economy does it thing as long as it stays the fuck out of civil rights and doesn't oppressthe lower/middle class. Pro regulation. Monopolies and insider trading are bad).