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I mean, if an elephant dies what do they do with the body?

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[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

you don't have to be vegan to help stop animal cruelty. there are many, many humane and legit ways to help animals without veganism. not drinking milk or eating eggs doesn't matter.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Stopping the cruelty from the root of it is the best way to do it.

Go vegan!

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

eating eggs and milk is not animal cruelty

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Calves being ripped from their mothers and male chicks macerated is not animal cruelty?

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Something doesn't stop causing suffering because you call it a different name.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 19 hours ago

it's not cruelty. the suffering isn't the intention, it's just incidental.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

you act like thats literally the only way we can have milk and eggs. be real man.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The only way you can have cows milk is by impregnating cows. Google how this is done, there is tutorial videos on YouTube. It is horrible.

The only way people have egg laying hens is by killing the male chicks. This happens even with backyard chickens.

Be real man.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 18 hours ago

This happens even with backyard chickens.

Damn, I’m vegan and I didn’t even know that 😭

[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

It's extremely rare outside of I think Germany but they have commercial in-ovo sexing for laying chickens now. Living conditions for laying chickens are still fucked though.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Do you have a source? I can’t find statistics on how many eggs sold are actually using this method.

I found an article from the guardian that mentions it is 98.5% accurate (as claimed by the company, not peer-reviewed) and they somehow claim the eggs sold using this method did not kill any male chicks. What do they do with the 1.5% of hatchlings that are male? Just put them in a cage to die of natural causes? There is billions of hens so that would be millions of male hatchlings even if this method was used in the real world (which I can’t find proof of)

[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 1 points 11 hours ago

There's an industry article here. They still raise the males that slip through for meat which sucks. But Germany has banned male chick culling so as far as I can tell it's all hatcheries in Germany using this method, possibly all eggs sold in Germany.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

artificial insemination is a veterinary procedure. I don't care to watch videos of live births or spaying and neutering, but that doesn't make them bad.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

All your examples are either voluntary or in the best interest of the animal.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

there is no higher benefit to any living things than to pass it's generic material to a new generation. sterilization is not in their interest, but AI is.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I believe being alive is of a higher benefit to any individual.

Dogs, cats and bunnies all live longer when spayed/neutered.

Spayed female cats in the study lived 39% longer and neutered male cats lived 62% longer. https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/why-you-should-spayneuter-your-pet#:~:text=Another%20study%2C%20conducted%20by%20Banfield,male%20cats%20lived%2062%25%20longer.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 13 hours ago

I think we have different values

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world -1 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I'm gonna start doubling my portions

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Damn bro, you let a vegan change your habits?

[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Epic bacon bro, never heard that one before.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

hey, you're not going to change anyones mind coming in here and them telling they're wrong and chastise them for not being vegan. you don't know me, but i guarantee that method is wasting your time.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

The vast majority of that is through factory farming. It’s a cheap cop out from personal responsibility saying you only “buy local animal products.” You probably eat at restaurants or at friends’ houses without checking the source of those.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

“You don’t have to stop the faucet before starting to mop”