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Yeah, both sides amiright?

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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 129 points 2 days ago (44 children)

Thanks, Uncommitted Assholes.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I voted Uncommitted in the primary so that Biden and the Democrats would get a count of how many people took the issue seriously. Primaries are a great place for message votes.

I also donated, volunteered, and voted for the Biden and then Harris campaigns, and didn't hold back any support in public. I had no illusions about how bad it would (now will) be with Trump in the Whitehouse.

[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 71 points 2 days ago (20 children)

I loved having people arguing with me and saying "At least my conscience is clear."

How's your conscience now??? Still feeling good about your decision?

[–] ech@lemm.ee 38 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They think they get to wipe their hands of it because they "didn't participate", refusing to concede that said choice still counts as their participation. Through ignorance, cruelty, and/or privilege, they'll blame everyone else for the state of the world while refusing to do their part.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Howard Zinn - you can't be neutral on a moving train. The Enlightened Centrists (TM) always look like suuuuuch dipshits when they talk about "both sides".

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[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

"bUt i VoTeD iNdEpEnDaNt"

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

I loved having people arguing with me and saying “At least my conscience is clear.”

How’s your conscience now??? Still feeling good about your decision?

There is a certain set of dumbasses that will say this kind of thing no matter what.

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wasn't the uncommitted movement some 100,000 people strong?

Didn't Harris lose by millions?

How would have the uncommitteds saved the election if their numbers represented a fraction of what Democrats needed?

Could a more likely explanation of this deplorable outcome be that Democrats did this to themselves by not rallying up their base enough to bring more people out to vote?

Stop blaming the American people.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Resonosity@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Looks like Harris did lose by about 79,000 votes in Michigan.

Comparatively, about 44,500 went to Stein.

We don't ultimately know how the uncommitted movement voted. If they were a monolith throughout, we'd expect 100k for Stein. If some abstained and some voted for Harris or Trump, that would've split the movement.

If all of Stein's voters went to Harris, however, that wouldn't have changed the outcome. Harris would have still been short ~34,400. So if you wanted to make the argument that the uncommitted movement was a voting block, then the entire ~44k block voting for Harris wouldn't have changed the outcome.

Overall I don't see Michigan outcomes changing my argument. If Dems were more persuasive, even if they lied about Gaza, they could have sweeped the nation. And even if the uncommitteds chose the lesser of two evils, Kamala still lost all other swing states. You can't chock the outcomes of those states up to the uncommitteds, because the largest organizational presence was in Michigan.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

They would have been enough to secure the swing states and win Harris the electorial college. Her campaign would have need to promote more progressive policies that addresses the material needs of Americans, instead of running to the right on issues, in order to also pick up the popular vote.

Stop blaming the American people

100% It's entirely on the campaign to secure votes. That's the entire job of the campaign. Blaming voters is an easy scapegoat that accomplishes nothing. And when it's blaming marginalized groups, it seems like it's only promoting hate against the people most vulnerable to the violence of fascism

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Yes, thank you for teaching the lesson that you should not support genocide.

Now we get to see who has learned from this snd who is going to double down despite losing.

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