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Trump win means ‘time has come’ to annex parts of West Bank, Israeli minister says
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What is it you were expecting or hoping for? Because this just reads like someone forgot to take their pills. It was always going to be Kamala or Trump. It doesn't matter if neither one made you happy. If you thought otherwise, you didn't think it through.
We had a really simple choice between two people. We made it. Unless you voted for Kamala, this is the outcome you allowed to happen.
Wasn't it "It was always going to be Biden or Trump" until three months ago?
It was always Trump vs Democrat. Everyone that's not a complete moron knew that Trump was always the worst choice for Gaza's future. Anyone that argued otherwise is worse than the morons that didn't know.
So first it always was Biden, now other choice permitted. Then it was Harris, no other choice permitted. Now it is "Democrat", which is a pretty broad spectrum.
And that show exactly the failure of the Harris/Biden supporters. Instead of pushing for a viable candidate that doesn't support the genocide in Gaza, people doubled down on a center right-right pro genocide candidate. And this strategy didn't just loose the election, it also shows the complicity of everyone who supported that campaign. Who chose a secure election loss with genocide support, over daring to bring a non genocidal candidate to the ballot.
You wanted to toss out another candidate? Over Gaza, something 90% of America would be somewhere between ambivalent and gleeful if it burned?
Or did you want to wait until the convention, bypass the VP and flip the bird to black and/or women voters while nominating a different compromise candidate that no one actually wanted at the last minute?
Yeah, it was Biden until it wasn't. And if he'd hadn't stepped down the choice would've been him or Trump. This isn't a fucking buffet. You vote for the Democrat or you accept the Republican.
That is just plainy wrong.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx
This is from end of March.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/10/01/slight-uptick-in-americans-wanting-u-s-to-help-diplomatically-resolve-israel-hamas-war/
The DNC did everything they could to demotivate and alienate their base. Everyone who cheered that on instead of demanding proper primaries didn't just loose the elections, but also showed a moral desolace
I can't find sentiment analysis to say how important Gaza was to voters in the election, but I strongly believe of the things that people cared about, Gaza was only significant for Arab Americans.
Plus a convention to pick a candidate would've only divided everyone just before the election. No better-loved candidate was going to come out of that. Only compromise that left everyone unhappy. Or most likely still Harris but with less enthusiastic support.
It's all well and good to say people are unhappy about injustice, we are. But is anyone going to vote change their vote any the economy or domestic policy over it? Fleetingly few.
I did find an article of someone looking forward to saying told you so if Trump wins. Well, good job. They can say told you so. I'll keep their smugness in mind when Netanyahu escalates. I'll remind myself, this is what Arab voters wanted above all else.
If a convention to pick a candidate was so bad, why did the Republicans win with it? The Republicans had proper primaries. They won.
As for the importance of Gaza, here are some early numbers analyzed
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/11/election-harris-gaza-policy
I do appreciate the effort to source your argument. That is an opinion piece by someone who already had a strong opinion about US Israeli policy. I get people cared. I certainly get that Arabs cared. But it's going to take some time, if we ever know, why things turned out this way.
One thing seems certain even in that article: unless there is a hotbed of Gaza sympathy in rural Pennsylvania, Gaza didn't swing the election.
This sentiment made it Trump
The lack of votes for Harris did that.
The lack of votes for Jill Stein did it.
And that sentiment is why she was lacking votes. Like come on we all know how elections work and that less votes means you lose. If you don't want to find out why you got less votes, don't be mad when you loose again.
Oh they're mad at this one, guess you decided to learn nothing. See you right back here again in 4 years then.
What I said there was fact. The idea it wasn't is wishful thinking.
Kamala was wishful...well i wouldnt call kamala a wish, no one wanted her. Anyway it was wrong to believe she could win.
Yeah, I'm starting to think there was never an opportunity to win. I'm thinking it came down to punishing the administration for the economy and none of the other arguments mattered at all.
Tons of arguments mattered, all of them against kamala. She said to hell with progressive voters and tried competing with trump to win conservative voters. From celebrity republican endorsements, calls for stricter immigration policy, following Trumps lead on proposals like cutting taxes on tipped wages for some reason. Plus all us voters who couldn't delude ourselves into being okay with genocide.
In which case she obviously didn't do enough to reach out to conservatives, because every single swing state went red.
Man that is the worst take. Just out conservative Donald Trump
The anti-Israel crowd are basically the MTG and Boeberts of the Democratic party. Right on down to outlandish claims about crisis actors
"Harris is the better choice in this fucking awful dilemma the US electoral system gives us" is not pro-Israel. It was a pragmatic option to reduce the damage a little, to lead the US down a better road domestically, and to leave the door open to later activism to stop the genocide where there was no viable third voting option.
Please don't conflate a Harris vote with a pro-Israel stance.
Like Harris was going to stop this.
Maybe not. We knew what direction Trump would take.
Two options. We chose.
With the senate and a wide house gap, I think so. Ah dreams
harris would have been the better outcome for the palestinian people, if you knew this and chose not to vote then youre more concerned with moral grandstanding than anything else