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Is there any good reason to use Vivaldi? Nice to see more scripts from you. I have been thinking about making some scripts to automate the deployment of Bubblejail profiles for different apps. I don't run nearly anything without sandboxing, and Bubblejail does not interfer with the Chromium sandbox.
I use it for a few years now, it's very customizable. In my opinion the best Chromium-based browser. I recommend either Vivaldi or Firefox depending on your needs.
I would never use Vivaldi just because it is closed source, doesnt add proper fingerprinting protections, and does not provide a secure default config. Cromite and Brave are better options (for me).
I've never heard of Cromite so don't have an opinion, but Brave is super shady, with crypto-shilling, ad-injecting, adding tracking codes to clicked URLs that didn't have them, something so privacy ruining you'd be better of using Chrome. They can't be trusted, and I'm not even getting to the CEO being a questionable figure. Nobody should use it, let alone anyone caring about privacy. People prioritizing privacy should be using Firefox or Vivaldi, both privacy focused browsers.
Vivaldi is not closed source. It's not open source either (they don't accept PRs), but the source is available.
Vivaldi is closed source, they say so on their website. I don't like the CEO of Brave, neither do I like the crypto nonesense, but arguing that Vivaldi is better for privacy (let alone vanilla chrome) is incredibly incorrect. Brave actually does a decent job of anti-fingerprinting and has strong site isolation. I prefer Cromite because it isnt associated with Brave or any crypto.
Browser comparison table by the developer of DivestOS: https://divestos.org/pages/browsers
I don't dispute Brave may be private in the current version, but with all the things they did they are not trustworthy, with many write ups online, some going as far as to call it malware. You are of course free to disagree, if you don't think your browser adding extra tracking to your links is a deal breaker.
I don't know where you are reading that Vivaldi is closed source. The source code is right here: https://vivaldi.com/source/
It does have fingerprinting protection, it has blocking trackers and ads built-in, and you can enable site isolation and turn off third party cookies if you choose to.
Brave added affiliate links to URLs. While I agree this is quite shady, it is not much different from how Vivaldi makes money. Also Vivaldi is not open source and doesnt come close to Brave or Librewolf in privacy tests. Vivaldi's fingerprinting protections are incomplete (it seems they stopped at canvas randomization?), it features a weak built-in content blocker, and has an insecure default config (JS JIT and WASM are enabled). I would compare it to default ungoogled chromium + basic adblocker. Vivaldi is no where close to Librewolf or Brave in terms of adblocking, anti-fingerprinting, and browser security hardening. Vivaldi is a neat browser, but a privacy one? I don't think so.
EDIT: Here are some links. Privacytests.org is a precomputed comparison table, the other two sites are fingerprinting sites which give a better idea of how much must be protected for adequate anti-fingerprinting.
Independent browser Privacy tests: https://privacytests.org/
CreepJS fingerprinting site: https://abrahamjuliot.github.io/creepjs/
Firefox Arkenfox fingerprinting test site: https://arkenfox.github.io/TZP/tzp.html
I said Vivaldi is not open source a 2 comments ago. I said I recommend Firefox and derivatives, including Librewolf, I said Brave may be more secure, but shouldn't be used for reason that have nothing to do with it. Since you are not reading my comments anyway, I won't spend the time.
Your comment I was replying to said "I don't know where you are reading that Vivaldi is closed source. The source code is right here: https://vivaldi.com/source/". I was responding to that with Vivaldi's statement about how the browser is closed source.
In your original comment you illude to it being neither open or closed source, which is not true either since it is closed source. Maybe you meant source available? I didnt read anywhere saying that.
It's not closed source, since the source is publicly published. It's source available.
Source available is closed source by the OSI definition, which is what is widely used and understood. The "closed" in closed source doesnt only refer to source visibility but also the freedoms upheld by open source.
I am not aware of any definition of closed source published by OSI.
Since it is source available, it isnt open source and therefore closed source.
Edit: we obviously have different definitions. I did not mean to argue over semantics. I would personally never trust a browser with proprietary code, even it is source available.
Fair enough. Yeah, I never thought of open and closed source as two exclusive options, but two of many.
I myself publish an application which isn't open source, but I publish the source code, as I believe my users have the right to know what runs on their computer, and have the freedom to audit, modify, and compile their own builds if they so wish. But I don't want someone to take and resell my application. I have yet to encounter someone calling my app closed source, but I can see how someone could.
I dont use Vivaldi haha, but their installation is so weird that I wanted to fix that.
I use Firefox and since bubblejail has support for firefoxes name on Fedora (bubblejail is strange) I tried it and got memory issues or something, pretty crazy.
I think vivaldi is just as fine as regular Chromium, probably slower patches. A debloated Brave will be better for privacy.
No, not for browsers.
Chromium Browsers may be secure, but afaik there was no security audit of Chromium Flatpaks. Their sandbox is highly modified, so one would really make sense.
I don't use it, but from what I understand it's from the developers of Opera before it became a Chinese spyware browser. Back when it was good. It's great if you're looking for customization and options.
As a disclaimer, the reason I don't use it is because I need a Chromium browser for work and Vivaldi (a Chromium based browser) gave me an error that said I need to use Chrome or Edge.
Vivaldi is chromium based though? I use it at work with all the Google tools.
I know it is. That's exactly why I mentioned that happening. Sorry if that was unclear.
ETA: I just read my previous comment again. I meant to say Vivaldi, not Opera.
That makes more sense :)
I guess they use a weird way to detect browser? I wonder if changing user agent string would work? There’s a ”user agent brand masking“ setting in Vivaldi.
I'm all for user agent settings, but I don't want to mess with that for work stuff. So, I just use Chrome or Edge for that one site.
Fair enough
This. It's incredibly customizable, I'd daily drive it of it didn't mean contributing to the Chromium monopoly