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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Harris is responsible for Harris's loss.

Biden is responsible for Trump being the president due to anointing Harris as the candidate.

[–] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (6 children)

How is it Harris's fault you had 73 million people vote for a fascist?

At what point do people recognise the people are in fact the fucking issue.

You guys have made your bed, now sleep in it.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 day ago

Biden managed a win against Trump and while Clinton lost the electoral college she did win the popular vote... Harris did neither.

Neoliberal politics that constantly squeeze the working class to steal wealth for the rich have led to a lot of discontent - people wrongly assume Trump will fix that while Harris' campaign was basically just "We're going to neoliberal so hard your neoliberalism is going to have neoliberalism in its neoliberalism."

That was just a losing strategy and failed to capture votes like Biden or Obama the latter of which literally ran on "hope and change".

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Rupert Murdoch and Sinclair Media made this bed.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 16 points 1 day ago

Plus social media! It's amazing how many voters get the news from Twitter, Facebook, etc.. And bro potcasts as well to convince z gens.

And finally church leaders, you will be amazed about how much pull they have on what is "right*".

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He got that last time.

Bigger issues is the 10 million Biden voters that sat it out this time around. That's an "us" problem.

The biggest thing i hear from undecideds I talk to is that nobody really seems to care about the threat to democracy and Trump being evil. They just continue to assume he's gonna be better for economy and their messaging of blaming Biden/Kamala for everything works.

I think we needed better more direct policies specifically suited to the demographics we are trying to reach, and simpler language when detailing his blame in the economy and threat to democracy. We refused to say "fascist" while "radical leftist lunatics" became his standard nomenclature. If those are the labels that get through to people, then we should use them.

We'll need a firebrand to get people back on board, talking fundamental changes and a promise of "not more of the same".

I appreciate how Kamala ran her campaign, but appealing to the joyfulness in people's hearts isn't enough. People need something to rally around.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The biggest thing i hear from undecideds I talk to is that nobody really seems to care about the threat to democracy and Trump being evil. They just continue to assume he's gonna be better for economy and their messaging of blaming Biden/Kamala for everything works.

It's not only that, it's the fact that Trump is so profoundly dangerous that the danger becomes a central talking point, which drowns everything else out.

Harris might go on an interview, and talk about what she wants to do for the country, but then the interviewer asks her about Trump's fascism and she answers honestly. The headline the next day is "Harris calls Trump names", the policy stuff is a footnote, and people sat they are still waiting for her to explain her vision.

I distinctly remember a headline that read "Trump and Harris trade barbs". When you read it though, it contrasted Trump calling Harris dumb misogynistic names to Harris pointing out all the people from his last administration who called him unfit.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's Harris's fault because over 100 million people sat out the election. It was on her to get those people to the polls and she utterly failed to do so. When people are motivated Democrats win. Obama got that. Harris's entire campaign was geared towards motivating conservatives. Conservatives that were never going to vote for her because they already had a more conservative option. People were looking for solutions and what Harris promised is to maintain the status quo.

Maybe, if we're extremely lucky, and we even still have elections in four more years, Democrats will finally have learned to stop trying to out conservative the conservatives and actually run on progressive policies.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 6 points 1 day ago

"This is the best we can do folks, garbage in, garbage out"

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

You got it wrong. Traitors invaded their neighbors' houses and messed up their beds.

I know "America" gets used as a group term but come on. This is not even really a detail. Be mad at the nazis, not the poor normal folks stuck with crazy neighbors.