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[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, I'll write it even simpler.

What matters is how much brown stuff you spend total. So if you directly spend less brown stuff, replacing it with green stuff, but indirectly more brown stuff, then you are making things worse. Because the goal is a good total of carbon emissions or whatever else for the whole planet, not just for your own western country where the dirtier parts may not be done.

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Your argument is clear. There's an opportunity cost to Green.

What you're missing is the momentum of green. A single solar panel in a sea of coal power plants is certainly dirtier than coal in the short term. For the exact reasons you outlined.

But you have 2 flaws in your logic.

  1. we aren't in that situation right now and I'd like to understand why you think we are. As we become more green then green things result in less brown, so there's a snowball effect you're ignoring here. Furthermore that snowball effect has already begun!

  2. Renewable energy, like panels, result in brown during manufacturing and installation. Once they're up they generate power for, on average, 25 years. The electricity-per-co2-ton is better than coal over 25 years.