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[alt text: a screenshot of a tweet by @delaney_nolan, which says, "Biden/Harris saw this polling and decided to keep unconditionally arming Israel". Below the tweet is a screenshot from an article, which states: "In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they'd be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they'd be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely."]

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 53 points 2 days ago (15 children)

I steadfastly refuse to accept an apology on behalf of single-issue voters. Those abstentions and/or third party protest votes got us here. Anyone who refused to coalesce around (or at least hold their nose and vote for) the biggest "not Trump" candidate was failing to see or even acknowledge the bigger picture and larger threat. And now we all have to pay for that.

The electoral votes in a state go to the single candidate with the most votes. "Not Trump" was not a candidate. Furthermore, a third party candidate was never going to win. So, I will absolutely blame these so-called "allies" as I find them to be worse than the people who voted for Trump (at least they were honest about what they were doing).

I sincerely hope there is a future election where they have learned something from this. In the mean time, good luck everyone.

[–] Melkath@fedia.io 19 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I apologize for nothing. I didn't vote for genocide, the stripping of trans rights, the building of cop cities, the placement of Republicans in the candidate, increased hostilities on the border. I have nothing to apologize for.

You, on the other hand, voted for all of those things and STILL lost. Why? Because those are right wing policies, and Republicans are right wing. If the policies are right wing, the Republicans win. That's how its always been. Not that hard to wrap your brain around.

We painstakingly spelled it out for you in slow motion for a year, and you kept your head lodged firmly up your master's ass.

So quite the opposite, I wouldn't accept the apology you lack the self awareness to extend me.

[–] averyminya@beehaw.org 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If everyone who voted for Harris voted for 3rd Party instead, the Electoral College shows Trump still would have won.

[–] Melkath@fedia.io 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I went third party.

Frankly, with what I have seen, I find it hard to believe that Stein didn't even get 1% of the vote. Massive organizations went all in on Green. Anyway.

That said, you need to remember that for every disenfranchised Democrat who voted third party, 2-5 disenfranchised Democrats simply didn't show up.

Why is that?

Because instead of spending a year pushing the DNC left and going to war with Republicans, all the Blue MAGAs went after undecideds and berated them into apathy.

My reputation points on this site are -391. Why? Because I spent the past year calling out that the Biden/Harris neo-conservative policies were going to disenfranchise Democrats and win Trump the election.

What response did I get? Overwhelmingly I was told that Biden had a perfect presidential record, his age wasnt a big deal, he was going to the general election, and he was definitely going to win. Then when everyone who piled up on me ended up wrong about that, and I continued to say we could not accept Harris, we needed to get someone who would court people on the Left, not someone who would court Republicans, all I got bombarded with is "BuT TrUmP!"

Counting still isnt quite done yet, but Google says we are at 140,999,052 votes. The adult population of the United States is estimated at 335,893,238.

The majority of this country does not support Trump.

The majority of this country had noone to vote for, and were berated into silence by Blue MAGA.

If we had an actual Left wing candidate, they would have dominated. Just like they always do. Because America is a Left wing country. We just cant get our elected representatives to respect that. They insist on being Right wing.

[–] averyminya@beehaw.org 4 points 2 days ago

I would agree, and do to an extent, but everyone also could have voted to not have a Republican senate, and skipped the Presidential vote.

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