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[–] Saleh@feddit.org -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We demanded for almost a year that the Democrats need to stop supporting genocide. Instead Biden, Harris and the other party elites would rather hand the US to Trump than to stop more Arabs being murdered. Maybe she proves us wrong and actually puts Israel in check. But everything action so far has been the opposite of that.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Answer one simple question: Do you honestly believe Trump will be better for Palestinians?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I believe the US is a white supremacist empire, founded on a settler colonial genocide, which is part of why it now supports another settler colonial genocide.

There will be no change to that in the current political system. It requires a fundamental political change, probably revolution, but certainly the dismantling of the current political parties to change that.

Maybe Trump will speed up the genocide of Palestinians, but the Democrats are equally committed to it, as they have thrown away every chance to end it, while taking every chance to perpetuate it.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So your floor here is "throw gas on the fire". Got it. You admit at best he'll be the same, and you're advocating for it. Your stance doesn't seem sane for someone who wants less pain and suffering.

[–] AmazingWizard@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So what is your plan exactly? You want to vote for a genocider, giving them the one thing you have in exchange, your one bargaining chip? And then what, write a strongly worded letter? Or are you one of those libs that intends to go back to brunch having "Done your part" in voting for "The lesser evil" who will still genocide the Palestinians? Could you be one of those people who want to "be done with politics" so that it's "no longer in your face anymore"? You don't strike me as the "organize my workforce towards collective action centered around Gaza" type.

When you are making demands, you need leverage. The baseline leverage you have, is your vote. You've not leveraged a single thing.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can put your vote behind one of them or a trash can. Of the three, which is most likely to be influenced to go the direction you want?

That's what voting is for.

[–] AmazingWizard@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

If you give me your vote unconditionally, then I have what I wanted and give up nothing in return. Even if you stand outside and shout at me after you gave me your vote, it still doesn't matter because you gave me what I wanted willingly with zero conditions. Clearly, my position on any topic is of no interest to you either, otherwise you would have tried to make a deal with me, but you didn't.

So how about this: You give me your vote, and I'll do whatever the fuck I want.