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Europe’s Greens ask Jill Stein to pull out of US election to prevent Trump victory
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Of course she won’t. She is Putin’s puppet.
I never get tired of showing this photo.
meanwhile in the same universe. the cheney are as big of criminals as putin.
doesn’t bill clinton has photos with Epstein ? its not like she is hugging him like biden hugging netanyahu. maybe he was there to poison her ?
anyway people voting for her including me will write aoc rather than voting harris if there was no third option allowed. enough is enough.
It is ten years old so you are not exaggerating.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/06/jill-stein-says-nothing-happened-at-her-dinner-with-putin/ https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-ties-vladimir-putin-explained-1842620 I'll never get tired of posting this in response.
You get that nothing had to happen at the dinner, right? That's not how networking works.
Okay, then prove that something happened. I'm not the one implying she's some sort of Russian asset with 0 evidence beyond a photo. That's you.
I don't have to prove anything happened. She was put at a dinner table with Putin in Moscow. Something that only happens if Putin finds you useful. He doesn't sit at random tables and strike up conversations with whoever he finds.
You put the rest together.
You made the assertion, so the onus is on you to prove it.
I did in my previous comment. You just don't like the fact that you are only put at a table with the extremely calculating dictator of Russia unless he has good reason for you to be there.
And if you expect me to prove that about Putin, you're just a troll.
Calling me a troll is an incredibly convenient way for you to get out from under the burden of proof here. Kind of hard to have a discussion with someone if they're just going to call you a troll when you ask them to provide proof of something they're claiming.
Yeah, it is hard to have a discussion with someone under those circumstances. But when you refute widely known information because they don't have an affidavit, you get called a troll.
If it's widely known, then surely you can provide evidence for it right?
Serious question: How old are you?
You're either a useful idiot or a troll.
Because anyone with half an attention span knows how putin works, due to the fact he's been operating the same way for a couple of decades. The proof is in the world media and the actions of those he sits with at dinners like the one jill stein attended.
They just compared this with Hillary Clinton at a table with Putin at a state dinner with her husband.
So I'm out.
I'm not answering how old I am because that's none of your business, frankly. You can call me an idiot or a troll, I don't really care. I just asked for proof of something and so far all I've gotten are replies about it being self-evident because "that's how Putin works" or other various forms of non-proof.
No, it's not that we are saying it's self-evident because "that how putin works" we're saying the evidence is quite accessible if you read the goddamn news.
Then there is you comparing a state dinner with the RT dinner, which is a different sort of event. So, yeah, piss off troll.
If the evidence is quite accessible, then why is nobody linking it to me? If you can't back up your claim, don't claim it. Again, call me a troll all you want. I'm not going to insult you. I'm just asking for evidence.
This is why
No one is saying anything had to happen, but she was certainly invited there there for a reason.
You don't get put at a dinner table in Moscow with Putin unless Putin has a good reason for wanting you there.
He doesn't just sit down with random people and hope they have a good time.
Shit, and all this time I thought he just had a passion for entertaining!
That's basically what this person seems to be suggesting. Like she just happened to be sitting there and Putin and all of his closest people were like, "let's go see who this lady is and what she's up to!"
Except it's not what I'm suggesting at all. I haven't suggested anything. I've posted what Stein has said happened, which she says was a dinner at a RT anniversary gala where Putin only briefly sat at their table, no introductions were made, and no English-Russian conversations happened. If you have evidence of something else happening there, as you seem to be suggesting, then provide it.
Ah, I see the problem. You aren't reading my posts. Let me help you:
I've read all of your replies. Why would I believe that happened without evidence? Have you proven that she's networked with Russians or Putin? Suggesting something might have happened isn't evidence of the thing happening.
Repeating things isn't providing evidence. As I've said in another comment, being at a dinner table with someone isn't evidence of collusion. Putin sitting at a table with someone, even if he's the one who chose to seat himself there, isn't evidence that that person is colluding with him. He's sat at dinner tables with Hillary Clinton. Does that mean Clinton is a Russian asset? You'd recognize that claim as absurd without evidence surely?
You're comparing the First Lady at a state dinner to this, which was a celebration of Russian state media's English-language propaganda channel.
Yep. You're a troll.
Oh, but as you've said, nothing has to happen at a dinner right? They could've networked outside of the dinner. In fact, Clinton has had many closed door conversations with Putin, whereas Stein hasn't spoken with him at all to my knowledge. See how disingenuous that is? And how it makes having a conversation about this a little difficult? As does calling me a troll because you have 0 evidence.
Well, sure. I'm not saying that Russians didn't have a nefarious reason to invite her there. It's entirely possible and maybe even likely that they did it because they saw a third party candidate as a useful tool to sow some sort of election discord in the US. But that claim would be entirely different than the claim that Jill Stein did it because she's an asset or that this was her idea or purpose for being there. I'm disputing the latter, not the former, because her attending a gala for RT is not evidence of collusion and this was the implication being made. I can find all sorts of pictures online of Hillary Clinton and other politicians having dinners with Trump or Putin, but that doesn't mean the photos are evidence that they were in collusion with either of them.