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When it's impolite to discuss politics, the only people discussing politics will be assholes.
Compared to the enlightened discussions we have as things are? Social media made talking about politics more ubiquitous than ever and it only made things worse. Also this may surprise you but you can talk politics without disclosing who you vote for.
I'm saying this is how things are. It is currently unacceptable to discuss politics in public. It's impolite to point out bigotry or fascism. It's uncomfortable to ask someone if they are batshit insane. We should normalize normal again, and we can't get there if social norms preclude discussing the malignant hate-based ideology that is prevalent right now.
And why is it necessary to disclose who you're voting for to do any of that? In fact I'd argue not disclosing who you vote for makes these conversations easier because you cant just instantly jump onto us vs them mentality and tune someone out before listening.
Because if you're not voting for Harris, you're supporting a racist, rapist, fascist felon who wants to use the national guard to murder me and people I care about. Pardon me for being curious.
Im pretty sure comments like that is exactly why these kids are lying about their votes, pardon me for reading the article.
I'm OK with it. If they're ashamed, they should be.
They're not ashamed, they just don't want to deal with people like you. How do you intend on reaching people who feel the need to lie to you? How does fostering a climate where lying is necessary to protect their peace effect the already horrible political climate? Or are you also okay with your actions costing your candidate votes and worsening the political climate too?
I'm fully OK with fostering a climate that is hostile towards hate and ignorance. I'd prefer nobody be a bigot, but humanity is imperfect. Making bigots feel the need to hide their ignorance and hate is better than a climate where they feel emboldened to share and spread it.
Not every person who tunes you out is going to be a bigot. If you want to imagine that the only people who are upset with rhetoric like yours are bigots, don't be surprised when only bigots engage you. You're complaining about problems you yourself are furthering, plus tell me do you think alienating voters helps or hurts your candidate, because that's what your rhetoric does. Don't think your actions can't influence people to stay home, you're great at fostering apathy through alienation. Hope your okay with that too.
Every person who supports Trump is a bigot. No exceptions. We're well past the point of credible ignorance.
And why do you think only Trump supporters are tired of your rhetoric? If you read the article you'd see the largest group among these kids are Democrats, theres also a huge number of independents. Do you think only republicans are tired of patronizing political zealots? Because if so I'd read the article again. Keep digging, but people like you are the reason these kids just lie and keep their day moving instead of engaging. You're creating the silence you told me you blame for the deterioration of the system.
If you read the article, you'll see that Democrats are afraid to engage with bigots, because bigots are often violent. For many people, their very existence is reason enough for a Republican to attack or kill them. If my rhetoric offends you, I don't believe that you're not one of the bigots.
It's not just bigots, if that was the case why would independents and republicans also lie about it? There is also nothing in the article that purports that all the democrats who lie about voting are doing so to bigots im beginning to think you still haven't read it. It would in fact be ridiculous to believe something that total and conclusive across the 27% of gen z democrats who admit to lying about it.
from the article
very curious how you claim all of the democrats only lie to bigots considering no one measured that.
They should be ashamed.
Why? Has it not dawned on you that near half of the people lying about their votes are voting for Kamala, should they be ashamed too? Or do you only think Trump voters are lying?
Seriously. If you try to talk about a political issue at face value without making your "side" clear then people fill in those blanks for you as though you made a mistake in being too ambiguous.
And they wonder why it's devolved into tribalism while shaming everyone who doesn't cheer for their team loud enough. The hypocrisy is deafening.
People want to participate but they dont want to read or think.
Low effort stuff needs to be punished in discussion-based communities like politics, technology and news. Mods are just happy to see people parroting the correct viewpoints but even if they are valid viewpoints theres no meaning behind them because people are memeifying their ideologies.
I would love to see bans for "revealing your side" so that people come to their own conclusions based on the truest information we can discuss. People are afraid of others coming to the wrong conclusions and fail to trust others to think so they tell them what to think.
It drives me fucking mad.
Can't say I support going as far bans or punitive action for revealing your side, but I absolutly agree that people use it to speed by all your arguments, concerns, comments, and just berate you until you do exactly what they do. I could get behind punishing people who bully or harass someone into disclosing their side thoguh, because thats textbook harassment (some Americans just call that 'voter outreach' thoguh)
The only people discussing politics are assholes.
Agreed. We should fix that by making it socially acceptable to discuss politics. We start that by first stomping out all the Nazis.