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She was still in the senate when her ship was captured by Vader at the beginning of Star Wars.
Leia: I'm a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan.
Vader: You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor.
That sums it up well. Leia wasn't unclear about her morals and goals. She was working in government with the intention of making things better, instead of sitting outside of government and bitching while doing nothing to help.
The baddies were sick of her constant efforts to derail their plans, so once they had enough fascist power to start going after their political rivals, they went after her.
Being in government does not make everyone automatically a willing participant of all of that government's policies. You wouldn't accuse Bernie or AOC of being cozy with GOP bullshit. But people around here are very happy to blame Harris for everything they perceive to be going wrong in the gov, while casually dismissing that Trump is 10X worse at the same topics.
Michelle Obama made a speech on this. Trump is not getting demands. She is.
Mr Concept of a Plan after 8 years isn’t pushed at all. Meanwhile, we need more details on the articulated plans of Harris. It’s quite the mismatched standard.
Also, Biden is her boss. She’s not the boss yet. New bosses do different things with the company when they take over.
And they don’t publicly undercut the old bosses while being second in charge especially in sensitive diplomatic situations.
Exactly. Maybe Harris is in lockstep with Biden on Israel or maybe it would just be a really bad idea to undercut him while she needs his support.
Who knows? We won't know until she's actually in charge.
I'm old enough to remember that Al Gore didn't rock the Clinton boat either. I doubt he would have been another Bill Clinton.
If only we got to see what Gore would have done differently... Sigh.
~~Trump~~ Harris is just saying that to appease ~~the Deep State~~ Zionist voters, but once they're in office, they'll reveal that it was all an act and they're actually going to do all the stuff we want. Trust the plan.
Believe it or not, we might have an idea about the sort of things Trump might do if he's president.
I'm sure you'll figure out how that's different from Harris if you think hard enough about it.
Harris is part of the current administration and has been fully consistent on their line. So, no, it's not different, and we do have a clear idea what she'll do as president. She will say that what's happening there makes her feel sad, then send a bunch more weapons unconditionally, and you'll be proven completely wrong but it won't give you a moment's pause because Trump would've been worse, so what did it matter if what you were saying was true, as long as it helped her get elected and helped you push aside some cognitive dissonance?
Also, are you suggesting that the QAnon "trust the plan" line was/would've been valid before Trump was in office? Because it wasn't.
You clearly didn't read this part of my post, so I will repeat it:
It's always counterfactuals, isn't it? You think Gore would've been different on points that he never distanced himself from and that you can't point to anything concrete to show he would've been different, in the exact same way that you think Kamala might be different. So what? That's not evidence. That means nothing, it's purely in your head, based off vibes.
I picked my username and pic because I believe in basing my beliefs on evidence.
And another thing, when politicians do lie about their positions, more often than not, it's almost always for the worse. Or maybe they're sincere on the trail but respond to established pressured once in office. I remember when Obama said he was going to end mass surveillance and protect whistleblowers, how'd that play out? Nowadays, they even skip the part where they promise good things entirely, and it doesn't matter because no matter what they do or don't do, you'll find a way to explain how they're secretly gonna do what you want.
Unlike the hard evidence you're going with about a future Harris presidency? Do you have a time machine? A crystal ball?
Also, I never claimed to have any facts. I leave that up to the people who claim that Kamala Harris is a genocidal maniac so don't vote for her. (Oops, too late.)
I have her statements and the actions of the administration she's been a part of for the past four years. That's evidence.
If I see that a person has murdered three people, I don't have "proof" that they're going to keep murdering people in the future, but I have strong enough evidence to say that they present a danger to society. Don't play dumb and pretend that you don't understand that actions and statements provide evidence for future behavior.