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[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Wish the push was to tell the Democratic party not to engage with genocide not to tell us we have to suck it up to vote for genocide anyway.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He's said this too... but of course you don't actually care about that fact.

[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ok... Just saying it's sad. Do you not think it's sad?

Edit: actually no what the fuck is this reply? What fact don't I care about? That Bernie agrees that this is fucked. What did I say that you take issue with?

Jesus Christ. I'm so tired of you genocide minimizers

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The reply is you will continue to say not to vote for even the best options for what you claim you want. It's stupid.

[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

OK, in case you can't understand, I'll expand further. Your comment was:

Wish the push was to tell the Democratic party not to engage with genocide not to tell us we have to suck it up to vote for genocide anyway.

He has pushed to tell the Democratic party to not engage with genocide. He should be someone you support. Instead, you spend every opportunity undermining anyone who could give your movement legitimacy. However, because he is practical and says we should also support Harris, because it's the best move that we can make, he's wrong and you'll say things like implying he isn't against the genocide. It's pretty stupid.

[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Take a deep breath

I don't know what you think my positions are but you're wrong. I am a socialist. I'm not in a swing state so I did vote third party but I would never dream of telling someone in a swing state of doing the same I would tell them they have to vote for Kamala.

I'm not talking shit about Bernie Sanders, I know he has made attempts to be on the right side of this issue but because he does not have support from his party he's been unable to. I'm simply lamenting the fact that our political system is so un-nuanced and so shitty that we have to pick between two genocide enablers for the highest office in the land. And that even the better party is pro-genocide. That's all.

I wish we lived in a political system that gave us enough power as the people to just have choices we actually want. Not this lesser of two evils bullshit that we constantly do.

You good?

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm good. Your first comment should have just been worded better I guess. You said you wish the (Bernie's) push was against genocide, which implies it wasn't. He has though. It's a discredit to him to imply he hasn't, and many people on here will say he's bad just because he also supports Harris, which means he isn't against the genocide.

This opinion you've stated now seems fine, but the original comment seemed to say something else.

[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I never said Bernie... That's why you have to insert him in () to make sense. I'm talking about general sentiment. The push overall is to get people to vote for the lesser evil not make the Dems better. I don't like that. 🤷‍♂️

I think you should assume less stranger. Glad you stopped the friendly fire lol

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Alright, now you're just being obstinate. The post title is "Bernie Sanders: Vote Harris because Gaza is ‘not the only issue’" and it's about Bernie. Your comment, unless it says otherwise, is going to be assumed to be about the post you're commenting on. You didn't say Bernie, but you were commenting on a post about Bernie. Who are we supposed to think you're talking about? Can you see how your comment was confusing?

It's all good, but you should consider how others will interpret what you say, because it seems to not be clear.

[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago

Nah you be assuming lol

[–] Upsidedownturtle@lemmy.world -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Put it a different way: if both candidates are willing to turn a blind eye to genocide, who do you think you'd have a better chance lobbying to change their stance? One support a cease fire and a two state solution. The other doesn't think a two start solution could work, and that Israel needs to do whatever they need to do to get the war over with.

[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm clear both are for the extermination of Palestinians and will support Israel in all their wars. I think we're kidding ourselves acting like the difference between the two on those issues is substantial at all. They both are lobbied to so much by Israel's pac

Source for lobbying

Based on this i'd think its harder to lobby the Dems but I really think neither party is movable on their positions in respect to Israel.

Totally agree that Kamala will be better on everything else though. Just find it fucked that we're told to suck it up on the pro genocide stances.