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[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

This slope is not slippery at all. Denying holocaust has been a crime since ~~2002~~ 1994 in Germany and yet Germany had no issues with upkeeping free speech in the ~~two~~ three decades since.

edit: oops it's actually older than I thought

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

TIL it's that recent. I know there was at least some anti-Nazi laws from the start.

The slope gets slippery at some point, though, right? I don't think it's a stupid thing to worry about, even if ultimately this is the right choice.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It gets slippery depending on who is in power, which is exactly what we have to defend against.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Well, any group in power has incentive to abuse it, and I think history shows they always will given the chance (at least in the long run).

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago

I agree completely, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely"

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The slope gets slippery at some point, though, right? I don’t think it’s a stupid thing to worry about

Sure. I wouldn't like to see climate change denialism criminalized in this century and I'd be pretty worried if any government pushed for it - but we're so so far away from something like that happening. We're way closer to going backwards in reconciliation.

[–] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Um... the trend is to criminalize research on climate change if conservatives win in November.

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's my point. The far-right of this country is already working to destroy opposition and we're closer to implementing climate change denialism policies and going backward on reconciliation than we're close to having free speech at danger. And in any case, it's not like the precedent doesn't exist already or that the far-right needs the precedent to grow fascist.

[–] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

There is basically one thing that people should prevent fascists from doing, and that is getting hold of the state apparatus. Once the army, police, health, education and social services are under far right control there is no horror we can put past them.