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[–] neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It’s all about results. That said…

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Its stupid. Energize the fucking progressives. There are far more progressives than there are conservatives. There might even be more progressives than there are moderates.

[–] tootoughtoremember@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Energize the fucking progressives.

Yes. She could be capitalizing on popular progressive ideas, like healthcare or lowering grocery prices. These ideas have traction with groups beyond just leftists. She could have run an Obama style campaign, rather than be Biden 2.0. Instead we get Cheneys and "opportunity economy" for small business owners.

There are far more progressives than there are conservatives.

Doubt. Gallup has 48% of Americans identifying has Republican or Republican leaning. Unless you're telling me that self identifying Republicans are not conservative, but are in fact made up of mostly "moderates" or secret progressives, I don't know how else you came to this conclusion.

There might even be more progressives than there are moderates.

Also doubt. Where's the data on this?

[–] tootoughtoremember@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Found some better data than just R v. D.

In 2023 Pew has 33% of Republicans identifying as conservative and 25% of Democrats identifying as moderate or conservative, so Americans are somewhere between 33% and 58% conservative. Conversely, Americans are somewhere between 23% and 37% liberal.

I think you've vastly underestimated the number of conservative Americans.

[–] PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I think people, especially very politically-minded people tend to imagine their fellow citizens as has much more inflexible political views than they really do.

Most Americans are pretty ignorant of politics in general, and we get fed what is essential political theater in place of political news. I think those of us sitting online vigorously discussing politics tend to overestimate the political convictions of the average voter.

Most American voters, outside of those who are extremely entrenched in their parties, seem to me, to be pretty protean and contridictory in their views. I think it's not unlikely that a self-described "conservative" would in fact support a lot of progressive policies as long as they were presented in a way that Tucker Carlson hasn't pre-provided a talking point for.

Don't forget that Trump was *against the discriminatory trans bathroom bills" in 2015, and all the same people who are now ready to organize pogroms against trans teenagers voted for him either way.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Here's some data. Republican voters hate the Democratic Party, but they can be surprisingly supportive of progressive policies. After all, those policies would improve the lives of all Americans.

https://www.citizen.org/news/progressive-policies-are-popular-policies/ 2019

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/08/07/walz-harris-abortion-family-leave-voters-trump-republicans/74692887007/ 2024

[–] JaymesRS 13 points 1 month ago
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago

At this point, I've started assuming all of these polls are bullshit.