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A 'good reason' is a useless illusion if it doesn't lead to good outcomes.

A good reason is not something that follows the form A->B.

Last I checked people don't live in Plato's abstract plane of perfection, but in the imperfect and chaotic reality. A 'good reason' is a terrible one if it leads you or me to ruin, period.

• Why don't you know?

• I don't know.

• Why don't you don't know why you don't know?

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Subjective. I think it is way worse. Or "to see the world burn", "to make humanity extinct".

Be it a moral or technical angle, there is many worse than "because our ancestors did it this way and we still came about".

That's curiously a lot of text for someone not caring.

The scientific process is not harmful. If that's your conclusion then welp.

What's harmful is the blind belief in science. It is skepticism and exploration that brings new understanding.

But just because we label something science it can still be quack.

And it's easy for you to dismiss old science because you have the current age's perspective.

Evaluate each era on its own terms.

And once again science does work, otherwise we wouldnt pursue it. But the zelous blind faith in science is unscientific to say the least.

Science is good but most often incorrect or incomplete. Otherwise our current science wouldnt have disproved the old.

If you are unvilling to admit that human hubris is just as well capable of much harm through science like of which we had 200 years ago or just 100 then drink from lead pipes, paint with radium and do some bloodletting. Those were perfectly 'safe' at the time, right?

What will we think of todays acceptables tomorrow?

"Because I can"

Can you give a reason though? I guess a child haven't asked you an endless chain of whys yet. By the end of which you can't say 'why' just that 'that's how it is', you've reached the limit of knowledge.

Of course when available knowledge is preferable.

I guess you are unfamiliar with iatrogenics. A good example is the case of Semmelweis, who discovered that pregnant women were dying at higher rates IN THE HOSPOTAL compared to births at home.

The reason wasn't known before. But turned out the doctors didn't wash their hands between autopsy and delivering babies.

Oops!

Knowledge comes from practice. Humans always did things first before they gained the knowledge. Think of apprenticeship and the natural sciences for example.

What I have a big issue with is today's notion that application follows knowledge. A top down approach where academia is isolated from the feedback of the real world. What the hell do I mean by that?

A business or an artist goes bust if they do not perform well, they have direct risks attached to their work. While we can produce 'knowledge' (institutional knowledge), new (made up) economic theories, new (un-replicable) psychological explanations and so on, without any apparent problem. The natural selective feedback is missing. Academia is gamified, most researchers know they could be doing more useful research, yet their grants and prospects of publications don't let them.

So when I hear reason and understanding casually thrown around, I smell scientism (the marketing of science, science bullshit if you will) and not actual science. Because no peer review will be able to overrule what time has proven in the real world. And traditions are such things that endured. Usually someone realizes and writes another paper, disproving the previous one, advancing science.

Don't get me wrong, there are and were many unambiguously bad traditions by modern standards, and I'm sure there will be more. But we, the people are the evolutionary filter of traditions. We decide which ones are the fit ones, which ones of the ones we inherited will we pass down and which to banish into history.

Reasons are a human invention to help make sense of the world. If you want to base everything on logical grounds you will run into two things mainly:

1. Limits of knowledge. Knowledge is always incomplete, as more of it opens up more questions. There are things you intuitively know are good, but can't prove why they are.

2. Systemic limits of logical reasoning. A sufficiently powerful and consistent formal system (such as formal logic) is incomplete, it cannot prove its own correctness. (Gödel's incompleteness theorems)

The effect of a tradition is usually not apparent. They aren't created consiously or in a goal oriented way.

They usually emerge naturally as a social behavior.

There are also a lot of vestigial traditions that once served an important purpose. (Eg dowry)

What tradition are you talking about?

For example funeral rites help prevent disease from corpses. Without knowing anything about germs.

Or the taboo of incest can avoid genetic defects, without knowing anything about genes.

Traditions formed for a reason. And that reason is way more ancient and more natural than modern logic. It is simply survival.

The people with traditions that helped them survived more often.