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a thought on this specifically:

Google Cloud Chief Evangelist Richard Seroter said he believes the desire to use tools like Gemini for Google Workspace is pushing organizations to do the type of data management work they might have been sluggish about in the past.

“If you don’t have your data house in order, AI is going to be less valuable than it would be if it was,” he said.

we're right back to "you're holding it wrong" again, i see

i'm definitely imagining Google re-whipping up their "Big Data" sales pitches in response to Gemini being borked or useless. "oh, see your problem is that you haven't modernized and empowered yourself by dumping all your databases into a (our) cloud native synergistic Data Sea, available for only $1.99/GB"

The point is that even if the chances of [extinction by AGI] are extremely slim

the chances are zero. i don't buy into the idea that the "probability" of some made-up cataclysmic event is worth thinking about as any other number because technically you can't guarantee that a unicorn won't fart AGI into existence which in turn starts converting our bodies into office equipment

It's kind of like with the trinity nuclear test. Scientists were almost 100% confident that it wont cause a chain reaction that sets the entire atmosphere on fire

if you had done just a little bit of googling instead of repeating something you heard off of Oppenheimer, you would know this was basically never put forward as serious possibility (archive link)

which is actually a fitting parallel for "AGI", now that i think about it

EDIT: Alright, well this community was a mistake..

if you're going to walk in here and diarrhea AGI Great Filter sci-fi nonsense onto the floor, don't be surprised if no one decides to take you seriously

...okay it's bad form but i had to peek at your bio

Sharing my honest beliefs, welcoming constructive debates, and embracing the potential for evolving viewpoints. Independent thinker navigating through conversations without allegiance to any particular side.

seriously do all y'all like. come out of a factory or something

You're implicitly accepting that eventually AI will be better than you once it gets "good enough". [...] Only no, that's not how it's likely to go.

wait hold on. hold on for just a moment, and this is important:

Only no, that's not how it's likely to go.

i regret to inform you that thinking there's even a possibility of an LLM being better than people is actively buying into the sci-fi narrative

well, except maybe generating bullshit at breakneck speeds. so as long as we aren't living in a society based on bullshit we should be goo--... oh fuck

good longpost, i approve

honestly i wouldn't be surprised if some AI companies weren't cheating at AI metrics with little classically-programmed, find-and-replace programs. if for no other reason than i think the idea of some programmer somewhere being paid to browse twitter on behalf of OpenAI and manually program exceptions for "how many months does it take 9 women to make 1 baby" is hilarious

long awaited and much needed. i bestow upon you both the highest honor i can reward: a place in my bookmarks bar

data scientists can have little an AI doomerism, as a treat

You're not a real data scientist unless you've written your own libraries in C??

no one said this

if you had actually read the article instead of just reacting to it, you would probably understand that the purpose of the second paragraph is to lead to the first section where he tears down the field of data science as full of opportunistic hucksters, shambling in pantomime of knowledgeable people. he's bragging about his creds, sure, but it's pretty clearly there to lend credence that he knows what he's talking about when he starts talking about the people that "had not gotten as far as reading about it for thirty minutes" before trying to blindly pivot their companies to "AI".

I couldn't get past the inferiority complex masquerading as a confident appeal to authority.

hello? oh, yes, i'll have one drive-by projection with a side of name-dropped fallacy. yes, reddit-style please. and a large soda

Maybe the rest of the article was good but the taste of vomit wasn't worth it to me.

"not reading" isn't a virtue

Asked to comment, a Meta spokesperson told The Register, "We value input from civil society organizations and academic institutions for the context they provide as we constantly work toward improving our services. Meta's defense filed with the Brazilian Consumer Regulator questioned the use of the NetLab report as legal evidence, since it was produced without giving us prior opportunity to contribute meaningfully, in violation of local legal requirements."

translation: they knew we would either squash the investigation attempt outright or change their research methodology and results until we looked like the good guys, and that kind of behavior cannot be tolerated

okay that's a little more sensible lol

i think the original comment that this thread is in reply to is avoiding non-monotonic UUIDs. i don't think anyone is contesting that autoincrementing ints create headaches when trying to distribute the database

putting my 2¢ forward: this is a forum for making fun of overconfident techbros. i work in tech, and it is maddening to watch a massively overvalued industry buy into yet another hype bubble, kept inflated by seemingly endless amounts of money from investors and VCs. and as a result it's rather cathartic to watch (and sneer at) said industry's golden goose shit itself to death over and over again due to entirely foreseeable consequences of the technology they're blindly putting billions of dollars into. this isn't r/programming, this is Mystery Science Theater 3000.

i do not care if someone does or does not understand the nuances of database administration, schema design, indexing and performance, and different candidates for the types of primary keys. hell, i barely know just enough SQL to shoot myself in the foot, which is why i don't try to write my own databases, in the hypothetical situation where i try to engineer a startup that "extracts web data at scale with multimodal codegen", whatever that means.

if someone doesn't understand, and they come in expressing confusion or asking for clarification? that's perfectly fine -- hell, if anything, i'd welcome bringing people up to speed so they can join in the laughter.

but do not come in here clueless and confidently (in)correct the people doing the sneering and expect to walk away without a couple rotten tomatoes chucked at you. if you want to do that, reddit and hacker news are thataway.

I'm just talking about stuff more like Discord or Steam that are huge distributed systems that don't use databases.

huh???