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Yoooo that would go hard

Thanks for clarifying

Yes, the point I was trying to make was not that being owned by the state makes it work better: in fact I think it is absurd that it is a "for profit" company which has no incentive to make profit as it's owner will never hold them accountable by letting them go bankrupt, as that is not an option. We have the worst of both worlds, almost as if public necessities ("Daseinsvorsorge") and natural monopolies do not make sense to run "privately"....

Ok, but the comment was about how it is funny that the Dutch complain as much as the Germans although their trains are better. So it was about a lack of broader perspective on that issue. So yes the whole point was about the Dutch perspective, but about the fact that their perspective seems to be warped from a european perspective.

So the conclusion i would draw from our interaction is that what a Dutch person experiences as filthy seems to me wildly more clean than what could be considered filthy in a European context. Good on you to be able to have high standards, hope the rest of European rail will strive to get to that high level.

But that's just like, my opinion bruv. Maybe I should have stated that more clearly

They cooked the books, but not for potential investors. At least not in the last two decades.

First one still gives 5.8 in regards to cleanliness and that is from a Dutch perspective not from a European perspective. Second one is reddit (!) and is mainly talking about the outside of the trains, which I don't think matters as much for the commuting experience 🙃. I think "filthy" is absolutely an overstatement. I mainly ride around den Hague and Rotterdam, but have taken plenty of trains in other directions. Compared to Germany in which i have traveled plenty by all types of trains and compared to what i saw while interrailing i deem the Dutch trains to be pretty clean (at least on the inside)

Nah bruv, i don't think so

There are no private investors. Its 100% owned by the state...

Finally

This seems wildly overblown to me.

source: me, a German