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Wrong. You are given some amount of control with your vote. You could choose to do something and are instead choosing to do nothing. You are choosing to abrogate your control.

Astroturfing is when there is a disingenuous coordinated campaign with a goal in mind. This post is specifically against not voting or voting third party, and you came here to complain about seeing too many things like this post. If your complaint was about seeing too many voting / politics memes in general, I imagine you would recognize what sub this is and what month it is.

I don't believe you would be calling an abundance of voting related memes in a political memes sub this close to an election with no goal in mind "astroturfing" unless you didn't know what the word meant. The obvious implication is that you believe there is a disingenuous coordinated campaign against voting third party or not voting. My point is that there doesn't have to be. It's more likely that many people, myself included, agree with the message of the political meme in the politics sub, and probably more than normal since we are so close to the election.

Is it? Your complaint is that things you disagree with are appearing more frequently, which they do when people upvote them. Sorry most of us have similar feelings about not voting / voting third party, but the only reason you'd call it astroturfing is if you think it's disingenuous.

"Things I disagree with are being upvoted so it must be a coordinated campaign"

No, it's just fun to call people with harmfully stupid opinions words that correctly describe their mental state.

No, people like you are beyond convincing with reason, as you never reasoned your way into your position. It's cathartic. And hopefully someone less brain damaged will see how incredibly dumb and dangerous your opinions are.

Yes, remember to let the trolley roll over the most people because doing something to save lives is identical to endorsing the trolley's action that could be prevented.

And again, everyone knows it's impossible to do two things, we can only choose to complain about the trolley or make it harm fewer people, not both!

Ahh yes, because a wall is the same as military camps for immigrants. Sending troops to go door to door to arrest millions the same as a wall that hasn't done anything!

I don't know why you seem incapable of seeing that two bad things can be unequally bad. Speeding and murder are both wrong, but one of them is way worse. A Harris admin who makes legal crossing more difficult is not good, but better than a Trump admin making concentration camps.

You will be responsible for the camps and the trans genocide because you are incapable of doing the bare minimum to stop it. All the while pretending that taking no action means you also take no moral responsibility. You don't. You have the power to make those bad outcomes less likely and you are actively choosing to do nothing.

Of course, because obviously the lives of American trans people are less important than your feeling of self-righteousness at not voting. Let's let the trolley roll over trans people here and abroad! That's definitely better than at least saving one of them with the little power we have!

Yes of course. They will definitely get the same outcome whether Trump or Harris wins. Trump totally wouldn't do things Harris wouldn't to make the lives of immigrants and trans people worse. After all, they both support military camps for immigrants and bans on trans healthcare, right?

I don't imply they only exist under Trump, I specifically said that even if they stayed the same under Harris that would be better than allowing Trump to make them worse. If you don't see that Trump has been saying he will make the lives of immigrants and trans people worse if he had the power I can't help you. Maybe open your fucking eyes. At least Harris isn't advocating for banning medical care for trans folks or using the military to round up immigrants and hold them in military camps.

Thanks to Harris, abortion rights have been preserved in America? There was no meaningful* change under her administration?

Jesus Christ dude, learn how to read. We already covered this. Harris doesn't have an administration, she is part of Biden's. Things got worse because of actions Trump took while he was in office. Remember the part about taking a civics class to leave about SC appointments and the filibuster? Again, even if she doesn't make abortion access better, that's objectively better than allowing Trump to institute a nation ban.

Why are you desperate to make this personal and attack me rather than stay on topic?

Porque no los dos? I'm attacking your dipshit opinions and your actions of choosing to not vote and allow trump to win and make the lives of everyone worse.

Why are you desperate to discuss Trump instead of Harris?

We've talking about both this whole time, you just want to pretend that allowing Trump to will is totally separate from voting for Harris. There are only two outcomes here, Trump wins and makes things worse, or Harris wins and she doesn't.

Yes, it's totally a strawman. You definitely don't think that we should not pull the lever and instead question why the trolley exists. That's definitely not what your original comment said. Because those two are mutually exclusive anyway. We can only ever do one thing, like question the existence of the trolley or pull the lever to save more lives. It's definitely not possible to vote to keep things from getting worse while also working the other 364 days to dismantle the trolley.