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Well, Bashir (and I think his buddies from the Institute?) are proof that it's possible. I've never delved into novels or other things about the Eugenics Wars, though.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Controls’ file says that Georgiou was brought to the prime universe in 2257, ”but after a few years we lost contact.” The events of season two of DIS take place almost immediately after season one, unless there were ”a few years” between the resolution of the Klingon war, and the USS Discovery setting out from Earth to pick up her new captain on Vulcan in “Will You Take My Hand?”.

I wonder if our boi Ash Tyler had something to do with that when he covered up what happened to Discovery (and, I guess, to Leland). Maybe he decided to remove Georgiou from that whole situation and falsify a record saying she disappeared some time later.

I also wonder if Ashy T. is still involved with S31 at this point - the man's a Klingon, so he's got the life span for it.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I really think we need another reference point - I wouldn't say any of the "new" series seem particularly like Star Wars, aesthetically or tonally.

I also don't think Star Wars should have a monopoly on certain types of storytelling, but that's neither here nor there.

It's still on track to close within the next few months.

I have my doubts that the tv side of Trek will be affected too much, but maybe the new management will be able to remove some of the roadblocks on the theatrical side.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is pretty thoughtful, and I get where you're coming from.

I do, however, think that the newer shows are frequently aspirational...but the focus has shifted toward doing the right thing in an environment that makes it difficult. There's a lot more emphasis on struggle, in a way that hasn't really been explored outside of DS9, and perhaps certain parts of ENT. That works for me, as I think it's the more salient message for the times we live in: there are always going to be struggles, the greatest dangers often come from within, and doing the right thing can be incredibly hard.

we rarely ever get any breathing room downtime with the characters!

I definitely get this - it's unfortunately something we're going to have to learn to live with, because I don't see longer seasons coming back any time soon (and honestly, they come with their own sets of drawbacks).

She did note that there are legitimate concerns about some parliamentarians potentially having problematic relationships with foreign officials, exercising poor judgment, behaving naively and perhaps displaying questionable ethics.

"But I did not see evidence of parliamentarians conspiring with foreign states against Canada," the report concludes.

"While some conduct may be concerning, I did not see evidence of 'traitors' in Parliament."

This is encouraging, but there needs to be a mechanism for these "problematic relationships" to be brought out into the public sphere (without it becoming a witch hunt).

We're looking in to it, but I'm not sure when a solution may be found. It's actually worse than you know when it comes to lemmy.world content making it to us - think days, not hours.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The headline has since been changed:

Trudeau to fill Senate vacancies before retiring: source

we didn’t really learn much more about her than we already knew.

Yeah. I said in my original comment that the Georgiou storyline is the strongest one, but it still feels very much like the first chapter that sets up future development, rather than something that pushed her story very far forward. It basically positions her as realizing that maybe a "monster with a conscience" isn't so useless after all, and that she can work to atone for her past misdeeds.

Which is fine...but it's still a setup for future stories that may never happen. It very much feels like a series pilot, rather than a standalone movie.

I completely agree with all of the other stuff you mention about the other characters, and I think it just screams, "we tried to compress an entire season's worth of story into a single movie." A lot of stuff happens, but everything that would get us invested in the characters was cut.

The Fuzz reveal makes a lot more sense if if happens in, say, episode 7 out of 10.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But that being said, we can see Starbase 17 (two of them, in different locations!), Starbase 25 and Deep Space 3 across the treaty line

It's a very confusing graphic, but I think the line might intead represent the area of space in which Alok's team operates - it starts to animate as "Alpha Squad" is highlighted amongst the list of available S31 squads. But it certainly looks like a border, so it's ambiguous, at best. The entire sequence is also questionable, considering it contains "footage" of Georgiou in the 32nd Century.

This is a TOS-style stardate, but back then stardates were pretty much random, and given the state of stardates these days, tells us absolutely nothing about when this is set

At least one online Stardate calculator spits out a result of April 17, 2324, which sounds about right based on Garrett's age. I have no idea what formula is being applied to get that result, though.

While civil unrest and secession from the Federation would lead to chaos and Tasha escaping from the colony around 2353, that collapse wouldn’t start until around 2339.

A barely-related sidenote: I firmly believe that Turkana IV was an independent human colony, and never a Federation member. In "Legacy," Picard says that the planet "severed relations" with the Federation, which doesn't necessarily mean they seceded (and, really, the word "seceded" was right there for them to use). This would also help explain why the Federation allowed the planetary government to collapse the way that it did, with no apparent intervention.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would be happy to see these characters again, under a different writer/director team.

 

TrekMovie has a brief piece summarizing part of an SFX cover feature on "Section 31," mostly focusing on the changes the project went through on the journey from series to movie.

That got me wondering what else was in the SFX feature, and eventually I remembered that I have a library card, which I can use to access magazines. So...I did that, and here's a summary of what I learned.


The centrepiece of the feature is an interview with Olatunde Osunsanmi, the director. He spends some time talking about the nuts and bolts of "Star Trek City," which is what they call the Toronto production offices. He talks about the benefits of being able to redress existing sets, including repurposing the Federation HQ set from Discovery to be the "Section 31 outpost safe house." On the topic of being economical, he also mentions how "Section 31" has been a unique experience, as they didn't have to build sets for future use - if their plan for a given scene didn't require a full set, they could safely choose not to build that fourth wall, or incorporate lighting that they wouldn't need for this specific movie.

As TrekMovie reported, he talked about the evolution from series to film. He estimates that there have been seven iterations of the project, including a couple of versions of the series, some subsequent pilot scripts, and then a couple of versions of the movie that they eventually made. He says:

"I would say the only two things that are the same from the original series pilot to the movie that we've got now is that there is a character named Alok and Philippa Georgiou."

He says that the movie's writer, Craig Sweeny, has been involved since the entire process.

Osunsanmi goes into a surprising amount of detail about what he calls the "phase fight," which the article describes as "an extended Dune-esque battle that's spread across sets and involves moving though walls." This sequence reportedly goes through at least seven different sets.

He also mentions the movie's final fight, which he describes as having an emotional component:

"But that fight went through probably the most iterations of different choreography and character beats that I've ever been through, because for me, and particularly for Michelle Yeoh, every fight, every action sequence, is actually an extension of the character."

He goes on to describe the degree to which Yeoh has been involved throughout the project's development, including giving character notes and developing the fight choreography.

The movie gives a "glimpse" into the origins of the Emperor, and Osunsanmi has high praise for Miku Martineau, who plays young Georgiou.

Finally, he acknowledges that if successful, "Section 31" could open the doors to future streaming movies:

"If the audience - the fans - they love it, the sky's the limit with what we can do. The wonderful thing about what Craig Sweeny and Alex Kurtzman have done here is similar to what they did on Discovery, in which we've created a foundation by which other things can grow out of."

"I think I might get into a bit of trouble if I expand upon that.


There are also brief interviews with Robert Kazinsky, who plays Zeph (the guy in the mech suit), and Sam Richardson, who plays Quasi (the Chameloid).

Robert Kazinsky

I'm terrified of how it's going to be received, because it's not the Trek people want. The Trek that people want, the Trek that we all want, is just 1,000 more episodes of TNG. Everyone's always furious that they're not getting more TNG, whilst at the same time, when TNG came out, everybody hated it...so for you to tell me that it still feels like Trek whilst being a completely different flavour of Trek, that encourages me. In 10 years time, we'll look back and we'll love every single one of these Treks.

He also talks at length about the backstory he and Craig Sweeny came up with for Zeph (which, from the sounds of things, doesn't actually factor in to the movie). The idea is that he used to work with Section 31, and as an engineer and biomechanist, he experimented on himself until he destroyed his own spinal column, and he now spends all of his time in the mech suit to remain mobile.

It sounds like the suit itself was a fairly miserable, smelly experience to film in, and the various components of it would occasionally break. He jokes that if there's a sequel, maybe he can play Zeph's twin brother Jeff, who doesn't have to wear it.

He also says this, which I found interesting:

Seeing Klingons and Andorians, it's everything that you want it to be, with people who exceed every aspect that you want them to exceed.

We'll have to see what these Klingons look like...

He also says that this is his dream job, and he'd do it for free (but he doesn't want Kurtzman to hold him to that).

Lastly, he says that he considers Zeph to be the heart of the team:

mostly because he's just innocent and full of love. He just loves his team, and doing what he's doing. He's really happy to just be bouncing around, smashing stuff. He just really enjoys it. He's never in a bad mood. He's painfully optimistic.

Sam Richardson

Most importantly, Richardson has decided that Quasi has modeled his appearance on the most handsom man in Federation history, from 2024...Sam Richardson.

Quasi is in the second-in-command role on the team, and out of the main characters is the least trusting of Georgiou.

Richardson talks a little bit about working out the characters' motivations, as they are "pointing in the direction of ultimate good, but our ways are a little bit more circumvent-y," which gave them some space to figure out what, exactly, that meant for everyone.

He also mentions that not everyone makes it out of the movie alive, which is perhaps unsurprising. He would love to come back to do more, "if Quasi is around at the end of this one."


Those are the things that jumped out at me, but there's more to the feature than just that - I encourage you to check out the magazine if you're able, and at the very least, support your local library!

 

Health Canada says Chinese-made Mother and Baby Plush Toys — including animals like pandas, elephants, lions, tigers and giraffes — don't meet Canadian safety standards and hard plastic eyes could come loose and be swallowed by a young child.

The affected toys have a universal product code (UPC) of 81402-39986 and item number of P273585.

 

Mildly spoilery quote

I pitched a Starbase 80 spinoff to CBS like, three years ago, which is where a lot of this came from. I would love to go back to Starbase 80, but right now there are no plans to do it.

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