Sentrovasi

There's another poster here who is hinting that Russia are the good guys, and I wouldn't be surprised if this person were hinting at that also rather than trying to say Palestinians are evil.

I wholeheartedly disagree with that sentiment, but it's what some of the people in this thread are saying.

Only opened up this thread to see if I could find this copypasta. Thank you for your service.

Seems like it would be exactly what you'd expect, i.e. not ironic at all.

Wouldn't it eventually fill up with blood and holy water

How long? A week? More?

The only time I think I ever equate the left and the right is that both sides have gotten increasingly tribalist, which this meme ironically proves.

I guess the other time I equate the left and right is in that both sides are very reluctant to hold their politicians accountable for fear of losing to the other side (which is also a result of that tribalism) - even though the left is more willing to say Biden isn't great, they're still giving the DNC a free pass because Trump is worse, and rather than recognising that this election is really Biden's to lose (he just needs to actually tone down on the things that his voter base doesn't like), they're blaming the conscientious objectors who choose to vote their conscience for not being a part of their tribe.

The enlightened centrist meme is a similar issue, where acknowledging any of this qualifies you as being outside of either tribe and therefore also a liability in this game. If it helps, I'm not American and can't vote in your election anyway, so chill out a bit - I'm not losing your election for you (whichever side you're on).

It can work if the politicians are willing to change to listen to their voter base. Both war parties aren't single-issue parties. If parties want to win the democratic mandate to enact other policies, they need to play ball with their electorate. That's the entire point of a democracy - that the electorate gets to be heard. It seems ridiculous that one side is enacting policies that are almost across-the-board unattractive to their demographic, and they're getting away with it because it can't be helped, we can't vote for the other guy, after all. (Obviously the other side is worse, but presumably their side loves their evil policies.)

Your argument basically amounts to "because our political parties will never listen to the people", which to me is pretty damning, and ensures that the DNC can continue to never listen to their voters. Do I want Trump to win? Absolutely not, even as someone not in the US. But the DNC can't be allowed to keep looking at these numbers, shrug, and say people will vote for them anyway.

Edit: My main point is that if Biden loses this because people aren't willing to vote for him, maybe some of the blame should go to the DNC and not just the "stupid voters"?

I think the biggest bugbear for me is always why blame voters voting their conscience and not blame the politicians who refuse to listen to their voter base?

I think the biggest bugbear for me is always why blame voters voting their conscience and not blame the politicians who refuse to listen to their voter base?

Between Biden originally saying that he wasn't sure if he would run for a second term (in 2019, to be fair), and comments from 2023 that he's only running because he doesn't think anyone else can beat Trump, I don't think it's far-fetched to think that he would not run just because he's "the incumbent president".

I do also buy the argument that people who would vote for Biden wouldn't suddenly vote for Trump if another Democratic candidate won the primary. In fact, I feel like from discourse on this platform it seems like the opposite is true: some people would vote for Trump simply because the DNC continues to push Biden.

Not sure if I'm not getting something or you're not getting something, but it doesn't seem like a non-sequitur. The idea is that if the DNC chooses its candidates, it can force Biden to step down by pressuring him, forcing him to take the route of "heroically stepping down" (publicly) return2ozma predicts will happen.

Now I don't think it's likely because Biden seems as establishment as it gets, but saying that the DNC chooses who wins the primary is not a non-sequitur in that scenario.

This chart doesn't really do it for me because the definitions of Neutral and Radical don't align well with each other/the Purist definition.