LadyAutumn

I read that sweet potato line as implying that the commenter themselves had voted for him, my bad.

I do agree that every human being has a duty to not vote for Hitler. I mean, that was supposed to be the point of the post world War 2 Western education system. Didn't work out for a lot of reasons.

But I also believe that many people don't understand what "voting for Hitler" even means or that Trump poses a threat to them. They don't understand politics. They don't understand the way the capitalist economic system functions. They think of it as some ethereal force that gets worse when you control it and gets better when you don't. They think rich people are brilliant geniuses who have divine knowledge of the economy that allowed them to become so rich. They don't get it. The political strategy of progressives has to account for that. The democratic party isn't a party of progressives. It's a party with a minority of progressives in it, but beyond them, it is the party of the status quo. The status quo has gotten worse, that much people do understand. And they chose the guy who said he was going to change it. He said he'll fix it and they believed him.

Did the commenter say they voted for Trump?

The people who voted for Trump over Kamala are not the leftists on lemmy. I've actually only seen one or two people say that they're going to vote for Trump for some leftist reason. The majority of people said they would vote for her anyway, and a minority of people said they were abstaining.

You sound really foolish mischaracterizing your opponents. The democratic party failed. Kamala Harris failed. There was no sabotage. She campaigned a conservative platform of military, border control, unwavering support for Israel and said she was going to maintain the status quo. When asked what she would do differently from Biden her gut response was "nothing". It was a spectacular failure and highlights every single way that the democratic party has entirely lost touch with reality.

Cost of living has tripled in the last 4 years. Now try telling white working class straight people who weren't living paycheck to paycheck 4 years ago that you're going to do everything the same as the guy that came before you. The same guy who broke up the rail workers strikes. No, us trying to explain fascism or project 2025 to them did literally nothing. They don't understand it and don't care. They know that their financial situation got worse and that the democratic candidate said they wouldn't change anything. That's all they understood. They don't know what's fact or what's fiction, and they think Trump is a brilliant businessman. It doesn't matter that he's not if they all think he is.

The DNC failed. Stop trying to defend them for God's sake. How are they ever going to actually pose a challenge to far right populism or fascism if you relentlessly defend them from all criticism?

I'm fine with people venting, but thats not the same thing as saying "Just remember that anyone who enabled Trump... on the left... committed an act of violence against the LGBT community... These communities, even on lemmy, should not be allowed to come back from this transgression.". Anyway, I've said what I will on it. You are welcome to continue to participate here, just not to do that.

You are welcome to your opinon, and I agree that support for Trump is itself an act of violence against trans people. I have not seen anyone on the left besides accelerationists, of whom there are very few, arguing in favor of voting for Trump. I have seen many people on the left criticizing the democratic party. Critcizing the DNC is not one and the same with supporting Trump.

You aren't being excluded here, you are welcome to voice your opinion, but you are not welcome to turn this post into a platform to call for users to view some other communities on lemmy in a particular way. There are lots of communities you can request brigading from, this just isn't one of them.

Couple things. For one, don't tell queer people how to feel about political changes that result in negative consequences for us. Secondly, this post is literally about accepting the reality of the world that we now exist with in and focusing on how to support the trans community as the state becomes actively hostile towards us. Not about how to carry out revenge against "left communities who enabled trump." By which I take it, you're referring to anyone who criticized the DNC. We are not political pawns in a game between the right and the left. We are people deserving of human rights and safety. It is neither centrists nor the political right who offer us those things.

This is neither the time nor the place to promote a view of antagonism towards leftism. I was going to time you out for a week, but will abstain from doing so for now.

75% of white men voted for Trump. It was categorically not the fault of people criticizing her support of genocide, her militarization of the border, or her continued appeal to conservatives. Your failure to recognize this is exactly what theyre counting on to continue with the exact same platform. No, they do have to change. If a future world where fascism is defeated is the goal than either the democratic party has to change into a party that will actually challenge it, or else the system of politics in America itself must be dismantled.

That's what I'm saying, though. Incredibly justified criticism of her did not lose the election. She chose to ignore criticism and focus on appealing to conservatives.

This election was lost in every measurable way. She did not lose because of leftists who didn't vote on principal. She lost because the working class overwhelmingly chose not to vote for her. Many of them voted for Trump instead. Many first-time voters voted for Trump. She thoroughly lost to him in every possible way.

Life under Trump in 2024 will be orders of magnitude worse than life under him in 2016. It won't take long for Americans to begin to feel strong consequences of the election result.

So what do you propose should be done to combat the rise of fascism? Nothing? Roll over and die? If the popularity of fascism continues to rise you're saying the democratic party should continue doing the same thing that they've always done? Your defense of fascism is to continue the same political strategy that keeps losing to it?

It's not punishing anyone as much as asserting our bodily autonomy, but go off. Targeting Republicans means no pressure is applied to anyone else to change society. Not every woman will participate in the strike. The effects of it have to be wide reaching.

It's a widespread denial of the institutions behind gender relationships. Saying that the system is dangerous for women and refusing to participate in it.

To Trump. Her platform was essentially a "stay the course, maintain the status quo" platform which has been terrible for a lot of people.

The average voter doesn't know or understand what the word fascism means, what project 2025 is even if you explain it to them, or what trans rights are. They don't know whether illegal immigration is a problem or not. They live within massive propaganda machines that often confuse them and are taught to believe anything else is wrong on principal.

For many of those people, including many minorities and many women, the status quo has not treated them well. And someone who's entire campaign was built on maintaining the status quo was deeply unpopular with those people. Trump offered a radical restructuring of society. He offered a dramatic shift in status quo and a government with entirely different priorities.

That appealed to those people, who both do not understand politics and are confused about what any of it really means anyway. All they know is that life under Biden saw their lives get much worse and the other guy says he's going to change that and says he knows how. He doesn't, of course. But they don't know that. They don't live in the echo chambers we do discussing these problems. Their primary use of social media is sharing pictures with friends and family. They're annoyed by their friends who keep talling politics online, politics confuses and frustrates them.

Obama's campaign was built on change and it's what one him 2 elections. The first one by a landslide. Lessee of two evil politics, staying the course politics, is never going to drum up support enough to defeat fascism.