JWayn596

I would like to explain some more context in the comments before people say things like "I'm denying war crimes"

This was reported a day ago, but open source intelligence had confirmed these reports 8 hours after the attack. All which has been covered in this article, even the Al Jazeera stream that caught the whole thing on camera. (Interestingly, Al Jazeera still reported that it was still caused by Israel I believe based on the same evidence.)

AP was one of the first to report the Gaza Health Ministry said, with the article titled, "Israel strikes hospital, killing 500." Over the next hours, they edited the article title 3 times, and had to emphasize that it was just a statement by the Gaza Health Ministry.

By then, it had been reported across the media landscape as an Israeli airstrike. Now, considering the past actions of Israel, like that reporter they shot a year or so ago, it's quite easy to assume that Israel bombed it and tried to cover it up. But, news organizations are not supposed to assume. Instead, we learned that the Gaza Health Ministry, an organization controlled by Hamas, should be taken with a large grain of salt.

Casualties turn out to be far less than 500, more like 50-100. I am in no way minimizing the loss of life. But from a journalistic standpoint, this is a 90% error, a total disaster in reporting.

The NYTimes put out this Editorial reflecting on the error of the Gaza Hospital, comparing it to the error in the 2002 Jenin massacre.

The rush to judgment on Tuesday night will continue to haunt us all.

I'm inclined to agree, especially upon being banned from worldnews on the lemmy.ml instance for "denying war crimes and genocide" by posting this article FROM THE NYTIMES which was reported about a day after the incident.

I'm not trying to report "Pro-Israel" Propoganda, but this should make everyone take a seat back and be very careful when reading news. This conflict is extremely divisive and it's challenging the status quo in journalism and global politics.

Additionally, news media can get it wrong, but credibility can be gained just as it can be lost, so they should be given a second chance, especially if they admit it, like the AP or the NYTimes did.

Al Jazeera had been live streaming and live reporting the entire thing, and there are multiple angles and phone videos from them and other sources that show the entire incident, from the rocket barrage, to the booster failure, to the hospital explosion.

The Associated Press has the complete analysis to your question, including the videos I mentioned, posted yesterday.

Alot of the videos in there were confirmed 8 hours after the incident, this is the first mainstream media outlet that put it all together.

The AP was one of the first to report what the Gaza Health Ministry said, "Israel strikes hospital, killing 500", then edited their article 3 times in 1 hour, with new titles and recharacterizing the report as "they said" to try and cover the increasing uncertainty of the situation. Along with the casualty number dropping. Now some might say "But any death at all is bad, 50 or 500!". That's true, it's still really tragic, but it's also a 90% error, which is a disaster for journalism.

The article covers the JDAM theories, the Israel warned them, the Hamas announcing their launching rockets a little after the incident. All things that would make the situation more murky.

I admit I do sound like I'm defending Israel with this. This particular event is a flashpoint for me personally since I'm heavily invested in the state of journalism in an age where the flood of information can overwhelm news and lead to innaccuracies.

The rocket turning around video is a different video from last year.

Unfortunately I got banned from World News on lemmy.ml because posting this was "War Crime Denial" apparently.

And that's why you would never be put on a jury Mr. "Hunt the predators and rapists down and kill them violently".

If I were in your position, I might be getting equally angry at the meer suggestion that privacy is important, but I would be wrong for being angry at the wrong topic.

Anyway, this fight against encryption is going to lose, for the sake if journalists who report in hostile countries without freedom of speech, for the sake of kids with parents who'd kill them if they came out as trans, and for people in the intelligence industry.

Well it's understandable that you think the predators are random men in white vans texting your kids, grooming, and abducting them, but in actuality, a ton of the major produces of CSAM are parents or family members.

This doesn't account for a smaller, but significant percentage of self-producers that post online because they're following online sexual trends, innocently self-expressing, or self-exploiting.

Having the goverment ban encryption will only undermine the privacy and security of law abiding citizens, and jeopardize national security. Parents don't have to send messages to their kids really.

The police won't protect your child from your spouse.

Banning encryption won't do anything to curb this concern of yours, its like banning car locks because people could hide heroin in cars.

I can empathize with your stance, but I have to tell you, that the "protect children" argument has been used to justify genocide, racial segregation, and so many other violations of civil rights within the last 100 years.

Well yes, because it's not up to the government to take care of or protect your kids. And it's your job to make sure they can protect themselves online. That's just common sense.

Additionally, the government is still effective at catching bad guys without backdoors to encryption, and this stuff doesn't stop you from monitoring your kids devices.

Yes in the US, Texas for example has used publicly available information to jail moms who travel for abortions.

If the government were to trample on the freedom of privacy, it would affect the right to protest, it would affect freedom of assembly, it would affect freedom of opinion.

China literally monitors most of their citizens communications this way.

We do NOT want governments to invade privacy for the sake of security.

Because, if the government can see what you do, then criminal actors can also see what you do too.

What do you mean deprives us of freedoms?

Everyone has a right to lock their bathroom door. Crime might be comitted behind the bathroom door, but usually there will be other evidence of that without looking in the bathroom, so there is no need for the government to legislate that all bathrooms should remove their locks.

No one ever questions the right of locking your bathroom door.

Rightfully so.

Israel used the Jewish Space Lasers to make those IJ rocket boosters fail right over the hospital parking lot to make Hamas look bad!!1!1 😱

I didn't think making fun of terrorists could be controversial until today nyaa~

Well if you are like "hurr durr 3rd parties".

The most ironic part of this is that Al Jazeera happened to live stream 2 angles of the entire incident. You can see the rocket launches, and the failed booster of the specific rocket, synced with phones on the ground already recording because they noticed the launch.

You can see how the rocket booster failed over the hospital, and then the explosion.

The videos were geographically confirmed by Geoconfirmed on Twitter, who only geoconfirms things without more analysis.

US intelligence is corroborating this with satellite imagery.

Hamas doesn't have the firepower to cause that big of an explosion, but Islamic Jihad definitely has more powerful rockets that could have done that. They announced a launch like 4 minutes prior to the strike on their telegram I believe.

Context:

NYT, WSJ, and other news media have started to report that US Intel confirms it was a failed militant rocket through infrared imagery.

Downvotes are legitimately, copium.

Absolutely not, at first I thought it was infact an Israeli airstrike, but upon pouring over multiple angles of video that has been geographically confirmed, it's fairly damning, and fairly convincing that it was not in fact, an Israeli airstrike.

The incident had been broadcasted live by Al Jazeera too, so even if you have a bias in favor of Hamas and Palestinian struggles, all signs point to a self-inflicted tragedy.

Despite that, its far too late since everyone already started protesting at embassies in greater numbers. PA president and Jordan leader cancelled meetings with Biden.

The situation is deteriorating rapidly.