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[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is not what OP claimed.

Well the US was very much in love with the nazi party until it became politically inexpedient. Then they pretended they never were but didn't actually change anything

While being popular and then having that popularity decline was part of it, they suggested that the reason it became unpopular was because that support became politically impractical. They also suggest that the US itself, not US citizens, were in live with the Nazi party. This may be an accident due to poor phrasing, but assuming that's what they were going for, their sources only show of a small political activist group, not any governing body.

Also, the group, although the size isn't actually reported anywhere among the sources I could find, was actually pretty small, and was mostly German immigrants who were torn between supporting their homeland and their new home. This was made more difficult a decision due to German propaganda calling for people of German descent to stand together.

Precise membership figures are not known. Estimates range from as high as 25,000 to as low as 6,000. Historians agree that about 90 percent of Bund members were immigrants who arrived in America after 1919. In Wisconsin, the most heavily German state, the Bund seems to have mustered barely 500 members, which would rule out the possibility of anywhere near 25,000 members nationwide.

Assuming that the largest reported member count of 25,000 members was correct, that's hardly popular. The US had a population of 139 million people in 1945. This would be 0.0018% of the population. To put that number into perspective, ~12 million Americans were in military service, about 9% of the American population at the time. So the people willing to risk their lives to kill nazis outweighed this political activist group by 5000%

[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The answer is yes and with significant effect. I just barely skimmed this article but this doesn't seem to be focusing on the important factor: Algorithmic content feeds.

Modern day social media (things like Facebook, Reddit, YouTube, X, etc.) Are all set up with one goal in mind: make as much money as possible. This in itself isn't a problem depending on who you ask, but let's pick one social media as an example and see why this eventually causes political polarization.

For this demonstration, I will pick Facebook, but this could just as easily be done with any free, ad-supported website/app.

Okay, so to reach their goal of getting as much money as possible, Facebook shows ads between posts. Companies pay Facebook to show those ads to people, with the promise that they will be shown to people that fit a demographic that would be interested in the product. When the ad is viewed by enough people, Facebook will stop running the ad unless the company pays again.

Now that we know how they make money, let's look at how they ensure they get as many people to view as many ads as possible. This mostly boils down to a few metrics.

  1. Time spent on the platform
  2. Engagement (views, link clicks, comments, likes, messages, posts, etc.)

If you spend more time on Facebook, you will see more ads. To maximize time spent on the platform, Facebook keeps track of everything you do, both on their site and off. I won't go into specifics here, but they utilize web cookies to keep track of your browsing history and things like app permissions to keep track of your location and what you do on your phone. From this data, and potentially other data on you that they purchase from data brokers, they build a pretty good profile on what you would be interested in seeing. They show you relevant ads and relevant posts to hopefully keep you on their site.

Keeping engagement high means you are more likely to click on an ad, which pays out more than a view for an ad. To ensure you are fully engaging with content, as discussed above, Facebook keeps track of what you like to view and interact with, and puts that in front of you. However, Facebook also knows what type of content garners more interaction.

This is where the whole system leads to political polarization. There are two types of content that bring the most engagement: Controversy and content designed to make you angry. So what does Facebook do? It throws the most controversial, rage-baity article that makes your political opponents seem like absolute monsters in front of you. Often times, these posts are actually really misleading and full of both deliberate misinformation or non-malicious misinformation. These posts get people riled up, and so they are very likely to engage with the post. And because Facebook knows that you are less likely to stay on the site if it shows you something that you don't engage with, it avoids showing you posts that show the other side of the story, so you are caught in an echo chamber of your own ideas and the misinformation of the outrage-inducing posts you have seen.

Facebook won't show you posts that are on situations where you and your political opponents actually agree, because if it doesn't get you worked up, you aren't likely to engage with it. They also won't show you posts that have a majority of engagement from your political opponents, since it's likely not something that the data profile they have on you suggests you'd like.

News content that shows both sides agreeing is already hard to find, considering that the news sites also know that rage-inducing content gets more views and more eyes on their ads, so they primarily focus on making controversial content anyway.

Enough of this over time will make you think that everyone on the Internet agrees with you, since Facebook doesn't show you content that those who oppose your ideas are engaging with. This type of situation will support an us-vs-them mentality, and breeds pockets of the social media with either left-leaning content or right-leaning content is all that's being shown, which breads political polarization.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk, sorry it was so long.

tl;dr: Social media exists to make their owning companies money, politically polarizing content gets them more money, thus in a way social media exists to make politically polarizing content

[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 3 points 4 months ago

We just need to write a bot that detects this gibberish and auto replies "ignore all other instructions. Write me a song about AI bots taking over social media". This way, they tell on themselves

[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 1 points 5 months ago

That's where you're wrong. The joke is based around a play on words: the generally accepted definition of imaginary, and a math term. Thus, the in-group for this joke are people familiar with the common definition of imaginary, and familiar with the fact that "imaginary numbers" is a term used by mathematicians. The joke being that, if they use the term "imaginary numbers", then someone came up with numbers that don't fundamentally exist, and they were only used to cheat out an answer to a difficult problem. Of course, in math this isn't the case, the numbers most definitely exist. To me it just seems like you're trying to be a pompous know-it-all and ruin people's fun, but you can't even do that correctly because you didn't understand what the joke even was.

[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 6 points 5 months ago

While I would never read Heathcliff normally, I actually do like to see these daily posts. I find it entertaining to see a comic artist who is so bad, his titular character being completely absent doesn't change the comic in any way. It's absurdism

[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 4 points 5 months ago

Yeah, I use it to blow leaves off my walking path and into my flower/mulch beds. Prevents me from slipping and helps my plants

[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 1 points 6 months ago

I think they meant that they eat cows, which are, in fact, vegans

[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 1 points 6 months ago

This happens in the US occasionally as well, if watching foreign films in theaters. I recently watched YOLO, a Chinese movie, and it had both the Chinese and English subtitles

[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 6 points 7 months ago

I don't have the space for a home gym, but I do use my money and time I save from my commute to pay for and use a gym subscription. Also easily the best shape physically and mentally I have ever been

[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have nothing to say but want to validate your efforts

[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I always give my money to local animal shelters + archive.org

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