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YSK: Your Lemmy activities (e.g. downvotes) are far from private (i.imgur.com)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by muddybulldog@mylemmy.win to c/youshouldknow@lemmy.world

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Edit: obligatory explanation (thanks mods for squaring me away)...

What you see via the UI isn't "all that exists". Unlike Reddit, where everything is a black box, there are a lot more eyeballs who can see "under the hood". Any instance admin, proper or rogue, gets a ton of information that users won't normally see. The attached example demonstrates that while users will only see upvote/downvote tallies, admins can see who actually performed those actions.

Edit: To clarify, not just YOUR instance admin gets this info. This is ANY instance admin across the Fediverse.

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[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Suppose there is someone who wants to maintain their anonymity and privacy on Lemmy so that it couldn't be tied to their real identity, what do you think is the best way to do that?

Hmm, I, famous Hollywood actress Margot Robbie and star of "Barbie", sure am stumped.

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[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Back in my day everyone knew that once you put something on the internet it's there forever to be seen by all. Has everyone already forgotten this? This is nothing new and in fact the way it's always been! Now get off my lawn!

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well, yeah, it's put on the database.

It's the only way to avoid double voting from the same account or to remove the reverse vote if one changes one's mind and votes the other way.

Did you think that it was any different on Reddit and that no random employee with access to their database could run a similar SQL query with a couple of joins and end up with nicknames, e-mails and IP addresses?!

Do you know who are the Reddit employees with access to their database or a copy of it? Have you had a chance to vet them? I don't think so.

At least here it's a bit more transparent.

The only shocking thing in this is that anybody is shocked by it.

[–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Another way to be more private is to only federate upvote/downvote count, instead of the detail of the upvote/downvote. This is not only lighter but more private. When the count needs to be updated just broadcast the new upvote count.

But I see why they want to do it the current way, as it is more aligned with activitypub protocol, and allow other platform like mastodon to participate without problems.

I cannot think of much problem in implementing a "hidden upvote system" in activitypub. Basically, it will work like this:

user on instance A upvotes a post in instance B: instance A tells instance B the user upvoted the post, but not anyone else.
instance C trying to fetch a post from instance B: B will only communicate the upvote/downvote count, but not the detail
- if instance C is not a threadiverse instance (like mastodon) it will show "xx number of upvote from B is hidden."

[–] nova@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Wouldn't it be easy to lie though? Instance B could report 1000 upvotes to Instance C and Instance C would have no way of verifying that. An instance could boost its own numbers pretty easily, pushing agendas to the front page.

The transparency allows for accountability. It would be pretty easy to detect an instance making up user upvotes versus a "just trust this number" system.

[–] ELI70@lemmy.run 1 points 2 years ago

Remove voting! End this dumb mob mentality!

[–] FinalFallacy@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Isn't that kind of the point? You don't get very far hiding in a social setting. You're on a public website talking to other people. Your posts should be public, comments, etc. At least people should treat all websites or apps they didn't develop personally like they're public. I mean you don't really have a right to privacy in public.

And I'm not trying to say this with some malicious tone or anything but it's just my view on it.

[–] toasteranimation@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Holy shit. HOLY SHIT.

I just realized what this actually MEANS.

It means that when you like or dislike something so much that you unvote and then vote a second time, people can tell. This will change karma forever.

[–] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Good to know but I always assume everything is public on the internet.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I've been in forums where upvotes were public. It's not something that I expect to be anonymous by design.

That being said. If something is public, it should be clear that is public (and available to everyone), if it's not it should be protected.

I think Lemmy should go one way or the other, or upvotes are public to everyone, or they are available only for you instance admins.

[–] sebi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

So any instance admin can analyze all users upvotes/downvotes and possibly derive political standpoints, likes/dislikes, opinions and location data from it

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[–] NumbersCanBeFun@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I only downvote awful/hateful comments so I usually stand by what I strike down. I can understand why this may concern others though.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe it will encourage us to downvote only those comments that don't contribute to the conversation, and not every comment we disagree with. Like how Reddit was supposed to be until it turned into a shouting match.

[–] phar@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

No chance

[–] sauerkraus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Kind of a bummer for anti-dictator memes. People might have thought they could maintain anonymity by upvoting without commenting. Better to not engage with it at all.

[–] JesusTheCarpenter@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago

For me, it makes so much sense. Likes and dislikes, besides serving as a means of sorting posts and comments, also serve as a shortcut for leaving a comment saying, "This^" or "I disagree."

[–] stagen@feddit.dk 1 points 2 years ago

I'm fine with it too. Don't think I'd be here if I wasn't okay with sharing these sort of things. If I wanted privacy for my upvotes or downvotes (why tho?), I'd do it anonymously.

And yeah, I upvoted the beans as well. Ate beans 90% of the time as a student. Still farting from it 20 years later.

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