Edit: Stop defending Tankies. If you are truly a Communist that doesnt support Russia and China, then defending the Tankies by letting them pretend ALL communists get called Tankies is only making you look bad by comparison. If Tankie was synonymous with communist, it wouldnt need to exist as a word.

2nd edit: I'm giving some of you WAAAYYY too much benefit of doubt but heres a further point, at the moment there is two options

1: You help clarify that Tankie means "Communist who Supports Authoritarian Regimes and their use of violences to suppress dissent" for people who are using the word incorrectly

2: You help create a smokescreen for Tankies to hide behind and let Tankie and Communist blur so Tankies can claim that all Communists get called that so the word means nothing. And if you are successful in that, the vast majority of us with great distaste for the Chinese and Russian goverment will just switch to telling ALL communists to fuck off because we certainly arent going to grow more tolerance for regimes that have no issues violently suppressing minorities

There is no 3rd option

Final Addition: 9 communists are sitting at a table when 1 Tankie decides to join the table. No one rejects the Tankie from sitting. 10 Tankies sit at a table

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 22 points 6 months ago (9 children)

I get called a tankie quite regularly advocating for Communism, like it or not the terms are becoming ubiquitous.

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 51 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

It's your ideal, we're giving communists who dont support Russia and China respect by labelling Tankies as Tankies, and not Communists, but if you want to give the Tankies a smoke screen to hide behind by letting the two terms blur, then its more your loss than its mine. Russia and China are not bastions of LGBTQ rights though, so I dont know why you'd want to help the Tankies

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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

The old adage goes "if you meet an asshole once in the morning, you merely met an asshole. If you meet an asshole in the morning, at noon and again at night, you are the asshole"

Reassess your behavior and stance; if you're getting called a tankie it isn't because the whole world decided to shift a definition.

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Is it because you occasionally simp for authoritarians?

I too advocate for socialism, but I keep getting banned from "socialist" spaces for wrong think, because I think Lenin's shit stinks.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 16 points 6 months ago

Conservatives and liberal chuds also use it because they see us saying it, not realising that it's a call-out of viscous authoritarianism, and not necessarily a critique of communism let alone socialism.

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 29 points 6 months ago (7 children)

It's pretty hard to tell on Lemmy.

I've been banned from .ml twice for criticizing Putin's Russia.

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[–] Strykker@programming.dev 18 points 6 months ago

Tell that to all the tankies that suck off Putin every chance they get then.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

Tankies are advocating for the USSR, with any eventual communist utopia being optional.

[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 14 points 6 months ago

Cue in Omaega Haxor and Yoghurt jumping in to appologize for Putin and North Korea.

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[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 102 points 6 months ago (3 children)

That wasn’t real communism. Everybody’s equal under real communism.

Hetero people would get executed too!

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 months ago

They did. Not just the hetero men, but the hetero women and hetero children too!

[–] Daxter101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wait. Didn't they?

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 57 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

Yes but not because of their heterosexuality. It was usually nationality, ethnicity, religion, being "counterrevolutionary", or just because someone like lavrentiy baria didn't like you

[–] herrcaptain@lemmy.ca 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Or you didn't clap long enough at Stalin's speech.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Or you clapped too long at Stalin's speech

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 23 points 6 months ago

clapped exactly the right amount of time? Believe it or not, gulag.

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[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Real end-game communism is a stateless, classless society

Nobody would be executed under real communism

[–] null@slrpnk.net 44 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Real end-game communism is functional, stateless, declarative, reproducible, and defined in a single configuration file.

[–] honey_im_meat_grinding@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 months ago

communism-rebuild switch

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[–] mogoh@lemmy.ml 96 points 6 months ago

No no no! You got it wrong! It was because checks notes Imperialist USA!

[–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 68 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Lenin and the Bolsheviks essentially legalized it though.
Nobody likes Stalin. If you do, think about your life and your place in the world

[–] Belastend@lemmy.world 54 points 6 months ago

The lemmygrad, lemmy.ml and hexbear kids would be very angry, if they could read this.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 55 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I remember tankies telling on Reddit me how "Pushing for LGBT Rights is forcing Western ideals on non-Western people" and how "Putin killing the gays is good actually".... the Horse Shoe Theory is real

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 68 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Horse shoe theory still doesn't work-- you have to change to the stethoscope model to include tankies

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 30 points 6 months ago (12 children)

"I'm so leftist I'm voting for Trump" --some young voters unironucally

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[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Yup, it's always "critical support" for any country with an adversarial relationship to the "imperial core" no matter how fucked up they are on human rights, or anything else.

It's never critical support for any of the "succdem" countries for their advances on human rights and social safety nets despite not moving towards socialism/communism, and then trying to get them moving in that direction.

Not that all or even most of the countries they support are actually moving towards socialism/communism either. The countries they list as AES (already existing socialism) make me think they have literal holes in their heads, like that guy that didn't realize he shot himself in the head with a nail gun for years.

They're good at quoting Marx but when it comes to who they support their only requirement is anti-western aligned countries, and they'll twist their brains into any knots necessary to invent a narrative to justify that support.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 months ago

It's because they don't care about socialism. They mostly care about relitigating the cold war. It's honestly pretty transparent.

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[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 46 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Wait Stalin executed gay people because Stalin needed to be stronger than Kakarot?

[–] neoman4426@fedia.io 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

And to circle it to a common online debate, DC has its "Red Son" alternate continuity where the major divergence point is Kal-El's birthing matrix lands in Soviet territory rather than Kansas so there's a Superman born and raised wholly believing in the idealized theoretical form of communism rather than an idealized version of the US, do could get the "Goku vs Superman" argument going

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[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Communist Goku shared the Senzu beans with Cell

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 6 months ago

nonono you see, it was fine because uuh homophobia was the norm back then so we can’t blame them! simple!

[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Imperialist US turned the frogs gay

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

He was scared of their power level

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago (7 children)

wasnt the ussr one of the first places in the planet to stop criminalizing gays?

[–] Ranger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 6 months ago (20 children)

Yes, then Stalin recriminalized it.

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[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 13 points 6 months ago

The Soviet government of the Russian Soviet Republic (RSFSR) decriminalised homosexuality in December 1917, following the October Revolution and the discarding of the Legal Code of Tsarist Russia.

The legalisation of homosexuality was confirmed in the RSFSR Penal Code of 1922, and following its redrafting in 1926. According to Dan Healey, archival material that became widely available following the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 "demonstrates a principled intent to decriminalize the act between consenting adults, expressed from the earliest efforts to write a socialist criminal code in 1918 to the eventual adoption of legislation in 1922.

Taken from here

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